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That sounds a whole lot more like a national security issue than the tariffs. Could also use tariffs to try and hit the states that voted for Trump the hardest

by s2g 8y ago

That sounds a whole lot more like a national security issue than the tariffs. Could also use tariffs to try and hit the states that voted for Trump the hardest.

jcranmer 8y ago
Well, not so much states that voted for Trump, but small-population states that rack up lots of Senate votes. Put punitive tariffs on corn, soybean, and pork exports, and you'll have a dozen senators imploring Trump to back off.
- toomanybeersies 8y ago
  That's exactly what they do already. That's why the EU is putting tariffs on things like Bourbon Whiskey.
- craftyguy 8y ago
  Interesting that it's perfectly legal for foreign nations to pressure folks into voting one way or another by punishing them for voting in a particular president (and possibly hurting his/his party's chances of re-election), but it's not if they run ads to try and pursuade voters. It's almost like indirect election influencing vs direct election influencing (Russia in 2016). Somehow one is bad, but the other isn't.
  - hangonhn 8y ago
    I think it's a question of enforcement. You can enforce direct influence in the US because it usually happens on US soil or via US companies but indirect influence via tariffs is nearly impossible since foreign countries largely get to impose rules about what happens in their own country and this is what tariffs are.
  - john00088876 8y ago
    It’s completely fair to target them since they’re responsible for choosing the administration who initiated this, and it’s totally clear what’s going on. Very different than dishonest manipulation of people’s ideas through fabrications. Targeted consequences to actions as a retaliation are very different to secret manipulation ahead of an election.
  - chillwaves 8y ago
    The difference is when a US candidate works with a foreign power to win. You really don't see the distinction? Foreign governments do lobby our government, and register for the privilege. This is not the same as Trump Jr conspiring with Russians in Trump tower.
  - jcranmer 8y ago
    It's not about targeting people because they voted for Trump. It's about targeting a small, export-focused segment of the economy that has outsized political power. Agricultural sectors of the economy tend to fit this billet in pretty much every country, which is why agricultural tariffs are the thorniest parts of trade agreements.
    - seanmcdirmid 8y ago
      To be fair, targeting small republican states can be effective, while targeting democrat states would be totally ineffective considering they would vote against the president anyways.
  - s2g 8y ago
    All's fair in love and [trade] war.
- hangonhn 8y ago
  China had already prepared to do exactly this. Notice what they said they will raise tariffs: pigs, soybeans, etc. A lot of farming states which are core Trump supporters.
JumpCrisscross 8y ago
> Could also use tariffs to try and hit the states that voted for Trump the hardest "The European Union will hit back at the heart of the United States, slapping tariffs on products like Harley-Davidsons, Kentucky bourbon and bluejeans, if President Trump goes ahead with a plan to place tariffs on steel and aluminum imports, the president of the bloc’s executive arm vowed on Friday." https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/02/business/europe-steel-tariffs-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/02/business/europe-steel-tar...
bryanlarsen 8y ago
> hit the states that voted for Trump the hardest. These tariffs were targeted at congressional leaders: " "The idea is, you look at a map of the congressional districts of the United States, you look at which members of Congress are in leadership positions and then you look at the big industries in those districts and then you draw up your list accordingly," she said. "And this list was clearly drawn up with this in mind." (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/steel-tariff-maple-syrup-toilet-paper-1.4686833 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/steel-tariff-maple-syrup-toi...)

by s2g 8y ago

That sounds a whole lot more like a national security issue than the tariffs. Could also use tariffs to try and hit the states that voted for Trump the hardest.

jcranmer 8y ago

Well, not so much states that voted for Trump, but small-population states that rack up lots of Senate votes. Put punitive tariffs on corn, soybean, and pork exports, and you'll have a dozen senators imploring Trump to back off.

toomanybeersies 8y ago
That's exactly what they do already. That's why the EU is putting tariffs on things like Bourbon Whiskey.
craftyguy 8y ago
Interesting that it's perfectly legal for foreign nations to pressure folks into voting one way or another by punishing them for voting in a particular president (and possibly hurting his/his party's chances of re-election), but it's not if they run ads to try and pursuade voters. It's almost like indirect election influencing vs direct election influencing (Russia in 2016). Somehow one is bad, but the other isn't.
- hangonhn 8y ago
  I think it's a question of enforcement. You can enforce direct influence in the US because it usually happens on US soil or via US companies but indirect influence via tariffs is nearly impossible since foreign countries largely get to impose rules about what happens in their own country and this is what tariffs are.
- john00088876 8y ago
  It’s completely fair to target them since they’re responsible for choosing the administration who initiated this, and it’s totally clear what’s going on. Very different than dishonest manipulation of people’s ideas through fabrications. Targeted consequences to actions as a retaliation are very different to secret manipulation ahead of an election.
- chillwaves 8y ago
  The difference is when a US candidate works with a foreign power to win. You really don't see the distinction? Foreign governments do lobby our government, and register for the privilege. This is not the same as Trump Jr conspiring with Russians in Trump tower.
- jcranmer 8y ago
  It's not about targeting people because they voted for Trump. It's about targeting a small, export-focused segment of the economy that has outsized political power. Agricultural sectors of the economy tend to fit this billet in pretty much every country, which is why agricultural tariffs are the thorniest parts of trade agreements.
  - seanmcdirmid 8y ago
    To be fair, targeting small republican states can be effective, while targeting democrat states would be totally ineffective considering they would vote against the president anyways.
- s2g 8y ago
  All's fair in love and [trade] war.
hangonhn 8y ago
China had already prepared to do exactly this. Notice what they said they will raise tariffs: pigs, soybeans, etc. A lot of farming states which are core Trump supporters.

JumpCrisscross 8y ago

> Could also use tariffs to try and hit the states that voted for Trump the hardest "The European Union will hit back at the heart of the United States, slapping tariffs on products like Harley-Davidsons, Kentucky bourbon and bluejeans, if President Trump goes ahead with a plan to place tariffs on steel and aluminum imports, the president of the bloc’s executive arm vowed on Friday." https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/02/business/europe-steel-tariffs-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/02/business/europe-steel-tar...

bryanlarsen 8y ago

> hit the states that voted for Trump the hardest. These tariffs were targeted at congressional leaders: " "The idea is, you look at a map of the congressional districts of the United States, you look at which members of Congress are in leadership positions and then you look at the big industries in those districts and then you draw up your list accordingly," she said. "And this list was clearly drawn up with this in mind." (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/steel-tariff-maple-syrup-toilet-paper-1.4686833 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/steel-tariff-maple-syrup-toi...)