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The beautiful thing is you know you’re in a truly free society because we can react to this stuff publicly and have absolutely no fear of reprisal.

baudehlo 8y ago
Yay you can be annoyed. Yet 17 years of being annoyed and neither political party wants to change this situation. Why?
- joeblow9999 8y ago
  Because everyone keeps voting for them anyway that's why
- propogandist 8y ago
  the american people have been led to believe they Only have two choices, either the left or the right
  - krageon 8y ago
    There is no "left" in american politics. Only right and extreme-right.
TaylorAlexander 8y ago
Citation needed. Freedom of speech does not mean total freedom.
- Regardsyjc 8y ago
  Agreed. Some pages that discuss negative freedom in a book I'm reading: https://imgur.com/a/xXN4ivm https://imgur.com/a/xXN4ivm
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beobab 8y ago
Now try it with an unpopular view. People can lose their job over a racist tweet, get fired for a sexist comment. Bear in mind that I personally reject those things as abhorent, but "no fear of reprisal"? Mind you, I do agree that you know you're in a free society when you can react to stuff and have no fear of reprisal.
- Retra 8y ago
  Free of reprisal from the government. I don't know why people keep going around thinking they're being repressed if their decisions have consequences. The only way that will happen is if you're a brain in a vat. Or being treated like one by your society; where nothing you do matters but you keep being fed an illusion of response in order to make you think such actions are still worth taking.
  - ThrowawayR2 8y ago
    > Free of reprisal from the government. I don't know why people keep going around thinking they're being repressed if their decisions have consequences. The willful disingenuousness of that argument becomes apparent when applied to other acts most people would abhor: "That anti-X graffiti sprayed on your house is perfectly okay since it isn't the government that's persecuting you. I don't know why people keep going around thinking they're being repressed if their decision to worship X/be an X/etc. has consequences." The "free of reprisal from the government" isn't a principled stance; it's a tacit admission that the the speaker is ethically okay with mob justice as long as the mob is on their side.
    - Retra 8y ago
      You see a mob where others see simply popular and well-reasoned positions.
  - forgottenpass 8y ago
    And I don't know why people keep applying the specious reasoning that: The absolute absence of any consequence for actions/speech is undesirable, therefore any consequence that gets implemented is intrinsically desirable until laboriously proven otherwise.
Maakuth 8y ago
Like ending on TSA list of enemies?
emodendroket 8y ago
It is rare that we can say any society is completely free or completely unfree; there are degrees of freedom.

baudehlo 8y ago

Yay you can be annoyed. Yet 17 years of being annoyed and neither political party wants to change this situation. Why?

joeblow9999 8y ago
Because everyone keeps voting for them anyway that's why
propogandist 8y ago
the american people have been led to believe they Only have two choices, either the left or the right
- krageon 8y ago
  There is no "left" in american politics. Only right and extreme-right.

TaylorAlexander 8y ago

Citation needed. Freedom of speech does not mean total freedom.

Regardsyjc 8y ago
Agreed. Some pages that discuss negative freedom in a book I'm reading: https://imgur.com/a/xXN4ivm https://imgur.com/a/xXN4ivm

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beobab 8y ago

Now try it with an unpopular view. People can lose their job over a racist tweet, get fired for a sexist comment. Bear in mind that I personally reject those things as abhorent, but "no fear of reprisal"? Mind you, I do agree that you know you're in a free society when you can react to stuff and have no fear of reprisal.

Retra 8y ago
Free of reprisal from the government. I don't know why people keep going around thinking they're being repressed if their decisions have consequences. The only way that will happen is if you're a brain in a vat. Or being treated like one by your society; where nothing you do matters but you keep being fed an illusion of response in order to make you think such actions are still worth taking.
- ThrowawayR2 8y ago
  > Free of reprisal from the government. I don't know why people keep going around thinking they're being repressed if their decisions have consequences. The willful disingenuousness of that argument becomes apparent when applied to other acts most people would abhor: "That anti-X graffiti sprayed on your house is perfectly okay since it isn't the government that's persecuting you. I don't know why people keep going around thinking they're being repressed if their decision to worship X/be an X/etc. has consequences." The "free of reprisal from the government" isn't a principled stance; it's a tacit admission that the the speaker is ethically okay with mob justice as long as the mob is on their side.
  - Retra 8y ago
    You see a mob where others see simply popular and well-reasoned positions.
- forgottenpass 8y ago
  And I don't know why people keep applying the specious reasoning that: The absolute absence of any consequence for actions/speech is undesirable, therefore any consequence that gets implemented is intrinsically desirable until laboriously proven otherwise.

Maakuth 8y ago

Like ending on TSA list of enemies?

emodendroket 8y ago

It is rare that we can say any society is completely free or completely unfree; there are degrees of freedom.