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> I avoid Vox articles due to the unsubtle feminist ideologies > (...) recent cringe Vox interview with Jordan Peterson that kept trying put words in his mouth

> I avoid Vox articles due to the unsubtle feminist ideologies > (...) recent cringe Vox interview with Jordan Peterson that kept trying put words in his mouth > (...) I see no future for myself outside of being someone's mortgage hound or alimony sugar daddy. That escalated quickly!

soontobemd55 8y ago
I feel this too. Most of my cis male friends won't date people that will make less money than them. I know I won't.
- kasey_junk 8y ago
  Is your intention to have a partner that walks in lockstep through career paths over the course of a long career? How do you intend to deal with illness, career changes & family raising?
  - dominotw 8y ago
    I think lower earning person can make up by doing extra chores and house work. That's what I do now. Not sure how fair that is but I think it's fair.
- AIX2ESXI 8y ago
  Yup. Most men will actually marry down economically, but women generally marry up economically. Perhaps when this is finally noticed, men will only marry their equals. With women graduating college at higher rates, perhaps this changes? https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/marrying-down-why-men-are-the-ones-now-looking-for-wealthy-wives-20170831-gy7ykl.html https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/marrying-down-why-men-are-the...
  - Jedd 8y ago
    > Most men will actually marry down economically, but women generally marry up economically. If the first phrase is true, then the second must also be. Of course we're conflating income with wealth (or 'economical value'), which may be fraught. > Perhaps when this is finally noticed, men will only marry their equals. I think asking all men to think the way you think is going to be disappointing. I also think that proposing the evaluation of people based on income and/or economic potential is breathtakingly depressing.
  - heurist 8y ago
    My wife prefers a career working with autistic children, and earns much less than I do as a software developer because of that preference. She is amazing and I want to enable her to do whatever she is happiest doing using the money I am fortunate to be earning, as much as she is willing to let me help. You're looking at other human beings as merely economic objects and that's not going to net you happiness long-term. Consider each human you meet on the merits of their character, not their wallets... This thread is ridiculous. Come back to earth, get out and meet real people.
    - dominotw 8y ago
      > You're looking at other human beings as merely economic objects I don't mean to be offensive but don't you think she considered your earning potential while choosing you as her husband? There is nothing wrong with doing it, ppl have beeen doing it forever. Nothing immoral about it. It does go into the equation.
      - heurist 8y ago
        My wife cares very little about money. She developed her own methods for getting the most out of life without it, and is always suggesting that I spend less of it. I've been able to show her the benefits of having extra money and she's been able to show me how to live well frugally (not that I'm a big spender in the first place).
        dominotw 8y ago
        Thats awesome man!. Congrats on finding a good mate.
AIX2ESXI 8y ago
It is on the mind of every young person. It is becoming more common to do everything on your own. You cannot rely on a good partner to share and build a life together with. The traditional routes and social contract are broken. That is why many young people are listening to lectures on youtube and voted for nationalism. But hey, downvote me into oblivion and ridicule me, I could care less. Just sharing my insights and truths. Perhaps turning men into non toxic soy boys who salivate at being feminist activists will turn America into utopia for all.
- Jedd 8y ago
  I notice that a lot of your comments are declared as absolute truths, often applying to large demographics, without much to back those claims up. It feels like you've got strong opinions (that's perfectly okay!) and think your view of the world is shared by many / most other people (this, not so much).
  - AIX2ESXI 8y ago
    I read a lot of studies and listen to political scientist lectures who draw the same conclusions that I do (Charles Murray. Victor David Hanson). Most times, I am too lazy to link to the case studies or books that discuss my points. Guilty as charged for having strong opinions; however, when I try to discuss them I am attacked, vilified and down voted into oblivion. Do this often enough and you will start to get resentful and seek like minded individuals who think the same way. Then bam, you are trapped in your own ideological echo chamber. I recognize this and am trying to grow beyond that. J Peterson lectures on maps of meaning, actually helped me realize this and I now see that it goes both ways. Growing up, my peers and elders told me I was very intelligent and had enormous potential. If I had not able to out think my frustration and anger, then perhaps I would have been one of these incel mass shooters when I was a young teen. That same rage and frustration I was able to overcome, I see it prevalent in many young men and women. People often tell me I am insightful and have future vision at times, so my concern for humanity and our collective future often leads me to ranting like a cranky old curmudgeon with anonymous throwaway accounts. This is one of few available outlets to vent and express myself.

soontobemd55 8y ago

I feel this too. Most of my cis male friends won't date people that will make less money than them. I know I won't.

kasey_junk 8y ago
Is your intention to have a partner that walks in lockstep through career paths over the course of a long career? How do you intend to deal with illness, career changes & family raising?
- dominotw 8y ago
  I think lower earning person can make up by doing extra chores and house work. That's what I do now. Not sure how fair that is but I think it's fair.
AIX2ESXI 8y ago
Yup. Most men will actually marry down economically, but women generally marry up economically. Perhaps when this is finally noticed, men will only marry their equals. With women graduating college at higher rates, perhaps this changes? https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/marrying-down-why-men-are-the-ones-now-looking-for-wealthy-wives-20170831-gy7ykl.html https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/marrying-down-why-men-are-the...
- Jedd 8y ago
  > Most men will actually marry down economically, but women generally marry up economically. If the first phrase is true, then the second must also be. Of course we're conflating income with wealth (or 'economical value'), which may be fraught. > Perhaps when this is finally noticed, men will only marry their equals. I think asking all men to think the way you think is going to be disappointing. I also think that proposing the evaluation of people based on income and/or economic potential is breathtakingly depressing.
- heurist 8y ago
  My wife prefers a career working with autistic children, and earns much less than I do as a software developer because of that preference. She is amazing and I want to enable her to do whatever she is happiest doing using the money I am fortunate to be earning, as much as she is willing to let me help. You're looking at other human beings as merely economic objects and that's not going to net you happiness long-term. Consider each human you meet on the merits of their character, not their wallets... This thread is ridiculous. Come back to earth, get out and meet real people.
  - dominotw 8y ago
    > You're looking at other human beings as merely economic objects I don't mean to be offensive but don't you think she considered your earning potential while choosing you as her husband? There is nothing wrong with doing it, ppl have beeen doing it forever. Nothing immoral about it. It does go into the equation.
    - heurist 8y ago
      My wife cares very little about money. She developed her own methods for getting the most out of life without it, and is always suggesting that I spend less of it. I've been able to show her the benefits of having extra money and she's been able to show me how to live well frugally (not that I'm a big spender in the first place).
      - dominotw 8y ago
        Thats awesome man!. Congrats on finding a good mate.

AIX2ESXI 8y ago

It is on the mind of every young person. It is becoming more common to do everything on your own. You cannot rely on a good partner to share and build a life together with. The traditional routes and social contract are broken. That is why many young people are listening to lectures on youtube and voted for nationalism. But hey, downvote me into oblivion and ridicule me, I could care less. Just sharing my insights and truths. Perhaps turning men into non toxic soy boys who salivate at being feminist activists will turn America into utopia for all.

Jedd 8y ago
I notice that a lot of your comments are declared as absolute truths, often applying to large demographics, without much to back those claims up. It feels like you've got strong opinions (that's perfectly okay!) and think your view of the world is shared by many / most other people (this, not so much).
- AIX2ESXI 8y ago
  I read a lot of studies and listen to political scientist lectures who draw the same conclusions that I do (Charles Murray. Victor David Hanson). Most times, I am too lazy to link to the case studies or books that discuss my points. Guilty as charged for having strong opinions; however, when I try to discuss them I am attacked, vilified and down voted into oblivion. Do this often enough and you will start to get resentful and seek like minded individuals who think the same way. Then bam, you are trapped in your own ideological echo chamber. I recognize this and am trying to grow beyond that. J Peterson lectures on maps of meaning, actually helped me realize this and I now see that it goes both ways. Growing up, my peers and elders told me I was very intelligent and had enormous potential. If I had not able to out think my frustration and anger, then perhaps I would have been one of these incel mass shooters when I was a young teen. That same rage and frustration I was able to overcome, I see it prevalent in many young men and women. People often tell me I am insightful and have future vision at times, so my concern for humanity and our collective future often leads me to ranting like a cranky old curmudgeon with anonymous throwaway accounts. This is one of few available outlets to vent and express myself.