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Wow, it's not every day that I agree with Disney, but here I am. As an avid Pirate, I don't care if Disney made digital copies of Michael Jackson's music for u

Wow, it's not every day that I agree with Disney, but here I am. As an avid Pirate, I don't care if Disney made digital copies of Michael Jackson's music for use in a commercially successful documentary about Michael Jackson's life.

starmftronajoll 8y ago
But perhaps as an avid pirate, you might care about the naked hypocrisy exhibited by Disney re: copyright, which is the crux of the Jackson estate's clever argument here (clever to the layperson, at least -- who knows if it will hold much weight if the case goes to trial).
- norealidea 8y ago
  it comes to a point where Piracy isn't just about caring, but from old habits. What are they going to do if I don't pay their piracy fines? Find me and put me in jail for something they cannot prove even happened?
  - wahern 8y ago
    > something they cannot prove even happened You just implicated yourself, and in a public forum no less. Alone this wouldn't be enough for legal action, but it could prove very useful, especially for showing intent for criminal prosecution. In any event, you never know how information can be used, and used against you.
  - redial 8y ago
    > Find me and put me in jail for something they cannot prove even happened? Yes. It happens more than you think.
- wolco 8y ago
  As a pirate siding with Disney makes sense in this case and it could be used against Disney in future fases
pavel_lishin 8y ago
But do you agree with their argument? Or just that anyone can use anything for anything?
- anoncoward111 8y ago
  Hmm, this is an interesting question to me. I think that I agree with their argument. Even if you play full Michael Jackson songs in your commercially successful documentary, I think this still could reasonably be construed as fair use. Maybe it would be a bit better if the clips were only 15-30 seconds, but the songs are relevant to the topic, and calling it a "documentary" is accurate and non arbitrary in this case. If you were making an action film and you used my entire song for a 3 minute long car chase, and you made $500,000,000 in the movie, maybe you should pay me a small fee in my opinion as a nice gesture. But to answer your ultimate question, I am very, very ardent pirate and I believe that literally nothing should be copyrighted. I do not want to be sued by Disney and I do not want to sue Disney. If one of us profits immensely, it would be helpful to share the spoils, otherwise one might generally think of you as "a dick". But the MJ side lawyers just want money, not to protect the integrity of his artwork.
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starmftronajoll 8y ago

But perhaps as an avid pirate, you might care about the naked hypocrisy exhibited by Disney re: copyright, which is the crux of the Jackson estate's clever argument here (clever to the layperson, at least -- who knows if it will hold much weight if the case goes to trial).

norealidea 8y ago
it comes to a point where Piracy isn't just about caring, but from old habits. What are they going to do if I don't pay their piracy fines? Find me and put me in jail for something they cannot prove even happened?
- wahern 8y ago
  > something they cannot prove even happened You just implicated yourself, and in a public forum no less. Alone this wouldn't be enough for legal action, but it could prove very useful, especially for showing intent for criminal prosecution. In any event, you never know how information can be used, and used against you.
- redial 8y ago
  > Find me and put me in jail for something they cannot prove even happened? Yes. It happens more than you think.
wolco 8y ago
As a pirate siding with Disney makes sense in this case and it could be used against Disney in future fases

pavel_lishin 8y ago

But do you agree with their argument? Or just that anyone can use anything for anything?

anoncoward111 8y ago
Hmm, this is an interesting question to me. I think that I agree with their argument. Even if you play full Michael Jackson songs in your commercially successful documentary, I think this still could reasonably be construed as fair use. Maybe it would be a bit better if the clips were only 15-30 seconds, but the songs are relevant to the topic, and calling it a "documentary" is accurate and non arbitrary in this case. If you were making an action film and you used my entire song for a 3 minute long car chase, and you made $500,000,000 in the movie, maybe you should pay me a small fee in my opinion as a nice gesture. But to answer your ultimate question, I am very, very ardent pirate and I believe that literally nothing should be copyrighted. I do not want to be sued by Disney and I do not want to sue Disney. If one of us profits immensely, it would be helpful to share the spoils, otherwise one might generally think of you as "a dick". But the MJ side lawyers just want money, not to protect the integrity of his artwork.

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