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I wish American politics would focus on education 5000x more than anything else.

clan 8y ago
Goes everywhere actually. Today it should be common knowledge that education is the foundation of a strong and prosperous society. Yet we keeper our focus elsewhere.
- KozmoNau7 8y ago
  To make it sound maybe a bit more enticing to the money holders, investing in education is literally investing in the future.
  - dagw 8y ago
    The "money holders" already have access to great schools turning out great students. They literally don't see the problem.
    - KozmoNau7 8y ago
      Yeah, they're covered for their offspring. But we have to make them see that investing in everyone's future is a net gain. Then we obviously just have the small problem that you can only be obscenely wealthy if you have a lot more wealth than the average person. Elevate a large number of people, and the über-wealthy people's relative wealth go down. Regrettably, they would apparently rather have a violent uprising and be forced to help other people, than do it voluntarily.
Andre_Wanglin 8y ago
I wish the opposite. Education should be entirely apolitical and atomized to give those with the most skin in the game the most control. Traditionally, this has been the American way and I do not find a more politicized approach has gained us anything other than divisiveness and contention. The more local the matter, the less the Rs and Ds matter and the more the actual names and people they represent do.
- godzillabrennus 8y ago
  Exactly! Let’s leave education up to local government. When the silly federal government wasn’t meddling in local schools they could avoid teaching evolution. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epperson_v._Arkansas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epperson_v._Arkansas They could keep people with dark skin complexions in separate but equal schools. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education With less federal intervention you are resoundingly correct that the academic circulum will represent the local community.
  - sheepmullet 8y ago
    > When the silly federal government wasn’t meddling in local schools they could avoid teaching evolution. Could they? Only with the consent of the parents. You are actually highlighting the OPs point. Government bureaucrats made a crazy ruling and people with actual skin in the game had to go along with it. You are just saying "Hold up hold up. Not those bureaucrats. You should be forced to listen to these other bureaucrats instead".
    - nunya213 8y ago
      How are parents better than bureaucrats in this case? There are countless towns in the US that if left to their own devices would soon resemble Sunday Schools and would utterly fail at educating students to a reasonable level.
      - sheepmullet 8y ago
        > There are countless towns in the US that <snip> would utterly fail at educating students to a reasonable level. There are currently countless inner city schools that utterly fail at educating students to a reasonable level. California with its immense wealth, it's progressive views, and some of the most intelligent bureaucrats has one of the worst school systems in the country. > would soon resemble Sunday Schools Why do you think that? Parents want their kids to do well. They understand the scientific method is important for a wide range of careers. Conservatives are on equal footing with progressives when it comes to science except for belief in evolution. Would you find some schools refusing to teach evolution? Yes, but they would be in the minority even in deep red states. And even then the majority of those schools would still be teaching the scientific method. They would just drop evolution from the curriculum.
Iv 8y ago
I wish they spent more on it but made it less of a a focus in their ideological battles. That's wishful thinking, but if only we could all agree on doing what is demonstrably better for the kids and their future, that would be great...

clan 8y ago

Goes everywhere actually. Today it should be common knowledge that education is the foundation of a strong and prosperous society. Yet we keeper our focus elsewhere.

KozmoNau7 8y ago
To make it sound maybe a bit more enticing to the money holders, investing in education is literally investing in the future.
- dagw 8y ago
  The "money holders" already have access to great schools turning out great students. They literally don't see the problem.
  - KozmoNau7 8y ago
    Yeah, they're covered for their offspring. But we have to make them see that investing in everyone's future is a net gain. Then we obviously just have the small problem that you can only be obscenely wealthy if you have a lot more wealth than the average person. Elevate a large number of people, and the über-wealthy people's relative wealth go down. Regrettably, they would apparently rather have a violent uprising and be forced to help other people, than do it voluntarily.

Andre_Wanglin 8y ago

I wish the opposite. Education should be entirely apolitical and atomized to give those with the most skin in the game the most control. Traditionally, this has been the American way and I do not find a more politicized approach has gained us anything other than divisiveness and contention. The more local the matter, the less the Rs and Ds matter and the more the actual names and people they represent do.

godzillabrennus 8y ago
Exactly! Let’s leave education up to local government. When the silly federal government wasn’t meddling in local schools they could avoid teaching evolution. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epperson_v._Arkansas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epperson_v._Arkansas They could keep people with dark skin complexions in separate but equal schools. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education With less federal intervention you are resoundingly correct that the academic circulum will represent the local community.
- sheepmullet 8y ago
  > When the silly federal government wasn’t meddling in local schools they could avoid teaching evolution. Could they? Only with the consent of the parents. You are actually highlighting the OPs point. Government bureaucrats made a crazy ruling and people with actual skin in the game had to go along with it. You are just saying "Hold up hold up. Not those bureaucrats. You should be forced to listen to these other bureaucrats instead".
  - nunya213 8y ago
    How are parents better than bureaucrats in this case? There are countless towns in the US that if left to their own devices would soon resemble Sunday Schools and would utterly fail at educating students to a reasonable level.
    - sheepmullet 8y ago
      > There are countless towns in the US that <snip> would utterly fail at educating students to a reasonable level. There are currently countless inner city schools that utterly fail at educating students to a reasonable level. California with its immense wealth, it's progressive views, and some of the most intelligent bureaucrats has one of the worst school systems in the country. > would soon resemble Sunday Schools Why do you think that? Parents want their kids to do well. They understand the scientific method is important for a wide range of careers. Conservatives are on equal footing with progressives when it comes to science except for belief in evolution. Would you find some schools refusing to teach evolution? Yes, but they would be in the minority even in deep red states. And even then the majority of those schools would still be teaching the scientific method. They would just drop evolution from the curriculum.

Iv 8y ago

I wish they spent more on it but made it less of a a focus in their ideological battles. That's wishful thinking, but if only we could all agree on doing what is demonstrably better for the kids and their future, that would be great...