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Excellent. Global warming>more storms> more waves> more CO2 trapped... hard to make that in to a solution though!

by jimnotgym 8y ago

ph0rque 8y ago
Not a complete solution, but a dampening feedback loop, giving humanity a bit more time to come up with solutions.
- amelius 8y ago
  Melting ice is a positive feedback loop (less light is reflected, thus more warming). I wonder which contribution is greater: melting ice, or CO2 trapping waves (?)
  - ph0rque 8y ago
    Yes, a chaotic system which is hard to predict.
9192631770_Hz 8y ago
The increased acidification isn't excellent, though.
- 24gttghh 8y ago
  I would put ocean acidification on par with or being worse than global warming by itself.
  - delbel 8y ago
    then you would be happy to know that there is zero scientific evidence supporting ocean acidfication. the science is based on data from measurements of PH values before chemistry established the existence of an acid or base, let alone the ocean is actually not acidic but has a PH between 7.5 and 8.4, so if anything the ocean is becoming more neutral if there were in fact any basis to the argument. I'm glad I was able to lighten up your day now that you no longer have to worry about this phoney science.
    - phyzome 8y ago
      Can't even tell if satire.
    - phreeza 8y ago
      I just did some back of the envelope math and I believe dissolving all of the atmospheric co2 into the oceans would lead to a concentration of about 2g/m^3. Not sure what the effect of that on pH would be, but sure sounds like it wouldn't be a lot.
      - delbel 8y ago
        I did a similar calculation to figure out how much energy it would take to acidify the ocean just a little bit, and it was absolutely ridiculous magnitude of a number it wouldn't be possible even if we tried.
        phyzome 8y ago
        It just goes to show how anyone can use math + the wrong assumptions to come to the conclusions they already had. Garbage in, garbage out.
      - philipkglass 8y ago
        It would be a much smaller shift if the CO2 were uniformly mixed through the whole depth of the ocean. Atmospheric CO2 concentrations are rising too rapidly for that. It takes thousands of years for the deep ocean to uniformly mix with near-surface water. The acidification effects over the "short" (decades-centuries) time scale are concentrated in the upper few hundred meters of ocean. Unfortunately, those upper few hundred meters are also where the vast majority of oceanic biological productivity are located. The acidification is worst where it's most biologically worrisome.
    - Goronmon 8y ago
      ...let alone the ocean is actually not acidic but has a PH between 7.5 and 8.4, so if anything the ocean is becoming more neutral if there were in fact any basis to the argument. This is a bit like arguing that global warming isn't real because places like Antarctica are really cold and any warming would just make the temperature less cold and not warm.
- aldoushuxley001 8y ago
  More CO2 will be turned into Coral, there's lots of feedback loops here
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  - amvalo 8y ago
    > CO2 will be turned into Coral No.
    - mkempe 8y ago
      In actual fact and science, yes, emphatically yes. Reef-building corals contain photosynthetic algae; these zooxanthellae are an endosymbiont that depends on and consumes CO2 for the direct benefit of its host. [1] Up to 90% of the organic material photosynthetically produced by the zooxanthellae is transferred to the host coral tissue. "This is the driving force behind the growth and productivity of coral reefs." [2] The coral polyps thrive when they have access to nutrients produced by their symbiont algae. These algae thrive when they have access to CO2, H2O, and sunlight. Thus CO2 does turn into coral reefs. [1] Coral-algae metabolism and diurnal changes in the CO2-carbonate system of bulk sea water (2014) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4034600/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4034600/ [2] https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/tutorial_corals/coral02_zooxanthellae.html https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/tutorial_corals/cora...
      - amvalo 8y ago
        Ok, technically yes, but ocean acidity is a far bigger effect, and that's what the GP was confused about.
        mkempe 8y ago
        Please stop moving goalposts, and quit denying scientific facts. 1. As described above, CO2 feeds symbiont algae and thereby drives the growth of coral reefs. 2. The algae and polyps have been shown to be constantly adapting to variations in local pH levels and water temperature. [1] As one would expect based on a) understanding the theory of evolution; b) observed "bleaching" and re-colonizations of corals for wider, mid- to long-term variations; and c) 20+ million years of corals thriving under a wide range of water temperatures, CO2 levels, and pH levels. [1] Active modulation of the calcifying fluid carbonate chemistry (δ11B, B/Ca) and seasonally invariant coral calcification at sub-tropical limits (2017) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-14066-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-14066-9
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donarb 8y ago
But more warming also causes seas to warm, which causes CO2 to evaporate from the water, so the effect may be a wash.
chris_va 8y ago
Technically that is exactly how you make a solution ... of carbonic acid! <walking away now>

Excellent. Global warming>more storms> more waves> more CO2 trapped... hard to make that in to a solution though!

ph0rque 8y ago

Not a complete solution, but a dampening feedback loop, giving humanity a bit more time to come up with solutions.

amelius 8y ago
Melting ice is a positive feedback loop (less light is reflected, thus more warming). I wonder which contribution is greater: melting ice, or CO2 trapping waves (?)
- ph0rque 8y ago
  Yes, a chaotic system which is hard to predict.

9192631770_Hz 8y ago

The increased acidification isn't excellent, though.

24gttghh 8y ago
I would put ocean acidification on par with or being worse than global warming by itself.
- delbel 8y ago
  then you would be happy to know that there is zero scientific evidence supporting ocean acidfication. the science is based on data from measurements of PH values before chemistry established the existence of an acid or base, let alone the ocean is actually not acidic but has a PH between 7.5 and 8.4, so if anything the ocean is becoming more neutral if there were in fact any basis to the argument. I'm glad I was able to lighten up your day now that you no longer have to worry about this phoney science.
  - phyzome 8y ago
    Can't even tell if satire.
  - phreeza 8y ago
    I just did some back of the envelope math and I believe dissolving all of the atmospheric co2 into the oceans would lead to a concentration of about 2g/m^3. Not sure what the effect of that on pH would be, but sure sounds like it wouldn't be a lot.
    - delbel 8y ago
      I did a similar calculation to figure out how much energy it would take to acidify the ocean just a little bit, and it was absolutely ridiculous magnitude of a number it wouldn't be possible even if we tried.
      - phyzome 8y ago
        It just goes to show how anyone can use math + the wrong assumptions to come to the conclusions they already had. Garbage in, garbage out.
    - philipkglass 8y ago
      It would be a much smaller shift if the CO2 were uniformly mixed through the whole depth of the ocean. Atmospheric CO2 concentrations are rising too rapidly for that. It takes thousands of years for the deep ocean to uniformly mix with near-surface water. The acidification effects over the "short" (decades-centuries) time scale are concentrated in the upper few hundred meters of ocean. Unfortunately, those upper few hundred meters are also where the vast majority of oceanic biological productivity are located. The acidification is worst where it's most biologically worrisome.
  - Goronmon 8y ago
    ...let alone the ocean is actually not acidic but has a PH between 7.5 and 8.4, so if anything the ocean is becoming more neutral if there were in fact any basis to the argument. This is a bit like arguing that global warming isn't real because places like Antarctica are really cold and any warming would just make the temperature less cold and not warm.
aldoushuxley001 8y ago
More CO2 will be turned into Coral, there's lots of feedback loops here
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- amvalo 8y ago
  > CO2 will be turned into Coral No.
  - mkempe 8y ago
    In actual fact and science, yes, emphatically yes. Reef-building corals contain photosynthetic algae; these zooxanthellae are an endosymbiont that depends on and consumes CO2 for the direct benefit of its host. [1] Up to 90% of the organic material photosynthetically produced by the zooxanthellae is transferred to the host coral tissue. "This is the driving force behind the growth and productivity of coral reefs." [2] The coral polyps thrive when they have access to nutrients produced by their symbiont algae. These algae thrive when they have access to CO2, H2O, and sunlight. Thus CO2 does turn into coral reefs. [1] Coral-algae metabolism and diurnal changes in the CO2-carbonate system of bulk sea water (2014) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4034600/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4034600/ [2] https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/tutorial_corals/coral02_zooxanthellae.html https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/tutorial_corals/cora...
    - amvalo 8y ago
      Ok, technically yes, but ocean acidity is a far bigger effect, and that's what the GP was confused about.
      - mkempe 8y ago
        Please stop moving goalposts, and quit denying scientific facts. 1. As described above, CO2 feeds symbiont algae and thereby drives the growth of coral reefs. 2. The algae and polyps have been shown to be constantly adapting to variations in local pH levels and water temperature. [1] As one would expect based on a) understanding the theory of evolution; b) observed "bleaching" and re-colonizations of corals for wider, mid- to long-term variations; and c) 20+ million years of corals thriving under a wide range of water temperatures, CO2 levels, and pH levels. [1] Active modulation of the calcifying fluid carbonate chemistry (δ11B, B/Ca) and seasonally invariant coral calcification at sub-tropical limits (2017) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-14066-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-14066-9

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donarb 8y ago

But more warming also causes seas to warm, which causes CO2 to evaporate from the water, so the effect may be a wash.

chris_va 8y ago

Technically that is exactly how you make a solution ... of carbonic acid! <walking away now>