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>Perhaps the most volatile question: does widely available free porn encourage “incels,” the latest boogeymen from the Internet, and the calls for “enforced mon
by emsy 8y ago
>Perhaps the most volatile question: does widely available free porn encourage “incels,” the latest boogeymen from the Internet, and the calls for “enforced monogamy” from e.g. blowhard academics who people inexplicably take serious?
In a world where objective journalism doesn’t pay, does every site become Vice?
- danharaj 8y agoDo you want to elaborate?
- unethical_ban 8y agoRarely would a non-op-ed refer to a group holding an opinion has blowhards that some people inexplicably take seriously. The New York Times does profiles on White Supremacists that have more respectful tones than this.
- cm2012 8y agoIt's refreshing. Call a spade a spade.
- jaredklewis 8y agohttps://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/19/224183763/is-it-racist-to-call-a-spade-a-spade https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/19/224183763...
- cm2012 8y agoNo one but etymologists would think of the phrase that way, so the origin doesn't really matter.
- azhu 8y agoDid you look at the linked article? The point is that it reinforces a potential implicit bias. "Rather than taking the chance of unintentionally offending someone or of being misunderstood, it is best to relinquish the old innocuous proverbial expression all together." No one is attacking you and there is no need to defend.
- jaredklewis 8y agoPerhaps I should have clarified that I wasn’t accusing the parent of being racist, but I do think it is an incidentally racist phrase we can probably do without. Maybe just because I am from the south and old enough to remember older relatives using the word spade in an overtly racist way (“Dennis Rodman is as black as a spade,” and such), but I don’t think the etymology is particularly academic. Anyways, sorry for the off topic tangent.
- cm2012 8y agoFair, I've never heard of that and will drop the expression.
- maxerickson 8y agoThat's a reference to a particular person not a group.
- knuththetruth 8y ago>The New York Times does profiles on White Supremacists that have more respectful tones than this. And that’s why America is where it is today!
- dang 8y agoMaybe so, but could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait to Hacker News? You've done it a fair bit and we're trying for better than that here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dragonwriter 8y ago> Rarely would a non-op-ed refer to a group holding an opinion has blowhards that some people inexplicably take seriously. While you are correct that this was (and is) rare in a news rather than opinion piece, this does not at all pretend to be a news rather than an opinion piece. It's overtly framed as a review, which is a class of opinion piece, and is written with first person references and other structural features typical of opinion pieces. > The New York Times does profiles on White Supremacists that have more respectful tones than this. The New York Times has been widely criticized for normalizing white supremacy for those profiles, but in any case, that's an overtly different class of article.
- barkingtoad 8y agoEnforced monogamy, i.e., marriage
- cm2012 8y agoThat would just be monogamy. The thing people are calling stupid is the idea that low status men should be assigned wives forcefully to prevent them from being sad, which is what some people have actually proposed.
- crdoconnor 8y agoIsn't that essentially what laws against bigamy are for?
- mundo 8y ago> the idea that low status men should be assigned wives forcefully to prevent them from being sad, which is what some people have actually proposed. Who proposed that?
- acqq 8y agoSome articles that explain the background: https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/the-context-of-jordan-petersons-thoughts-on-enforced-monogamy/ https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/the-context-of-jordan-peters... also http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/incel-meaning-explained http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/incel-meaning-explained
- lixtra 8y agoGP may refer to poor sources such as https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EkMNXGvzdLw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EkMNXGvzdLw
- emsy 8y agoIt's pretty clear that TC is alluding to Jordan Peterson. When I read the enforced monogamy headline I thought that's an incredibly stupid thing for him to say, only to find out that (surprise, surprise) it was taken out of context. What he actually said can still be criticized, but isn't even worth a headline.
- erric 8y ago>”enforced monogamy” from e.g. blowhard academics Are academics advocating wholesale monogamy? That’s usually the field of organized religion.
- jjevanoorschot 8y agoJordan Peterson said this in a recent interview.
- knuththetruth 8y agoJordan Peterson did in a recent interview. Although he’s a university professor, it’s probably unfair to paint him as an academic when he’s devolved into a transparent charlatan.
- hh3k0 8y agoThey are referring to Jordan Peterson. He said something along those lines in a recent interview. I haven't read the interview, though, so I don't know the context.
- ChristianBundy 8y agoJordan Peterson is a blowhard conservative who's had more success wooing impressionable edgy teenagers than any actual academic pursuits. I don't understand how anyone takes him or his ideas seriously.
- dragonwriter 8y agoMost of the people I've seen praising and recommending him have pointed mainly to videos on YouTube; video is, in communicating ideas, very poor for informing and very powerful for emotional engagement. This isn't widely recognized (it's not something AFAICT well covered in regular education on source evaluation, critical thinking, etc.), which was mildly bad when TV news was becoming dominant, but there was still a pretty strong production and distribution barrier. In the age where every crank with a crackpot idea can, at basically no marginal upfront cost, produce videos and distribute them globally, it's one of the most important things to understand in approaching media.
- oooommm 8y agoGod I could use a blowhard right now