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100k people per hour per track direction Your source for this statistic?

mmt 8y ago
I don't have any primary sources offhand, but the closest thing I last looked at was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_rail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_rail which has a number of 25k/h for light rail (pretty low speed, single-deck, presumably short trains). I'd say 4x that amount for a full-sized HSR train is credible. It's just that that's a maximum. I don't believe that ridership will ever be high enough to approach that number, unless air travel is outlawed.
- IshKebab 8y ago
  > I don't believe that ridership will ever be high enough to approach that number Trains in the rush hour in the UK are pretty much always full, with people standing up. The tube at rush hour looks like this: https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/05/06/15/tube.jpg?w968h681 https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2... If it's not too expensive or infrequent I imagine it will be very popular.
  - mmt 8y ago
    > Trains in the rush hour Especially given the picture you provide, I think you're talking about intra-urban rail (subway, metro, even suburban commuter). That's a far cry from a 350-mile, 3-hour inter-city link. Show me the picture for the London-Edinburgh "rush hour".
    - IshKebab 8y ago
      Done: https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article158562.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/a-busy-train-carriage-from-southend-to-liverpool-pic-jk-press-781702887.jpg https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article158562.ece/ALTE... Southend to Liverpool is 3-4 hours on the train.
      - DrScump 8y ago
        How close does it get to the stated 25,000 passengers per hour throughput metric?
        mmt 8y ago
        Keep in mind that's for light rail, only 1/4 of what the commenter claimed for HSR. With 3 occupants per vehicle, 4 freeway lanes could carry 25k, not as outlandish-sounding as 25.
      - mmt 8y ago
        Not done. That's only, what, 240 miles? Which means it's not exactly high speed, is it? It could probably reach the 25k/hr that my sibling commentor is asking for, but not the 100k claimed for HSR. Additionally, if it's Southend-on-Sea, that's not a major urban area. At 25k/hr, you could move the entire population to Liverpool in a little over 7 hours. I smell a contrivance. Lastly, the name of that picture describes the train carriage as "busy" not something like "typical", so even then I'm skeptical. Try again. London to Edinburgh. High speed. Typical rush hour.

mmt 8y ago

I don't have any primary sources offhand, but the closest thing I last looked at was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_rail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_rail which has a number of 25k/h for light rail (pretty low speed, single-deck, presumably short trains). I'd say 4x that amount for a full-sized HSR train is credible. It's just that that's a maximum. I don't believe that ridership will ever be high enough to approach that number, unless air travel is outlawed.

IshKebab 8y ago
> I don't believe that ridership will ever be high enough to approach that number Trains in the rush hour in the UK are pretty much always full, with people standing up. The tube at rush hour looks like this: https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/05/06/15/tube.jpg?w968h681 https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2... If it's not too expensive or infrequent I imagine it will be very popular.
- mmt 8y ago
  > Trains in the rush hour Especially given the picture you provide, I think you're talking about intra-urban rail (subway, metro, even suburban commuter). That's a far cry from a 350-mile, 3-hour inter-city link. Show me the picture for the London-Edinburgh "rush hour".
  - IshKebab 8y ago
    Done: https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article158562.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/a-busy-train-carriage-from-southend-to-liverpool-pic-jk-press-781702887.jpg https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article158562.ece/ALTE... Southend to Liverpool is 3-4 hours on the train.
    - DrScump 8y ago
      How close does it get to the stated 25,000 passengers per hour throughput metric?
      - mmt 8y ago
        Keep in mind that's for light rail, only 1/4 of what the commenter claimed for HSR. With 3 occupants per vehicle, 4 freeway lanes could carry 25k, not as outlandish-sounding as 25.
    - mmt 8y ago
      Not done. That's only, what, 240 miles? Which means it's not exactly high speed, is it? It could probably reach the 25k/hr that my sibling commentor is asking for, but not the 100k claimed for HSR. Additionally, if it's Southend-on-Sea, that's not a major urban area. At 25k/hr, you could move the entire population to Liverpool in a little over 7 hours. I smell a contrivance. Lastly, the name of that picture describes the train carriage as "busy" not something like "typical", so even then I'm skeptical. Try again. London to Edinburgh. High speed. Typical rush hour.