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>Less targeted ads are exactly what we need. That's what the regulation aims for! I have nothing against targeted ads. I am against targeting ads and collectin

>Less targeted ads are exactly what we need. That's what the regulation aims for! I have nothing against targeted ads. I am against targeting ads and collecting/distributing my data without my explicit consent. E.g. mobile companies selling my real time location because there's some obscure sentence in their 90 page terms of service.

takeda 8y ago
And this is exactly what GDPR does, you then have an option to opt-in. I wish regulation like GDPR would also be implemented in US, but really unlikely.
- solomatov 8y ago
  >And this is exactly what GDPR does, you then have an option to opt-in. I mostly like GDPR. Ability to opt-in and being of charge of your data, i.e. removing it from a service if you want to, and the right to export and move it to another service are great and long due. What I don't like is that it's a principle based regulation and thus it can be applied arbitrarily and selectively.
- dennisgorelik 8y ago
  Please learn from the experience of dealing with side effects of GDPR in EU first, before trying to push it to the US. The side effects would include: 1) Reduced number of services available to EU customers. 2) EU users will be trained to click "Agree" without reading, because web sites would ask them for permission very frequently, and users do not have time to read web site policies anyway.
  - hk__2 8y ago
    > 1) Reduced number of services available to EU customers. That’s not a bad thing. If services that don’t want to protect their users’ privacy can’t operate, that’s a good thing. > 2) EU users will be trained to click "Agree" without reading, because web sites would ask them for permission very frequently, and users do not have time to read web site policies anyway. How does this have anything to do with GDPR?
    - manigandham 8y ago
      Not wanting extra regulation and associated costs does not mean a business intended to not protect their users privacy.
      - kekumu 8y ago
        It's a difference in how much a business values their users' privacy and data. Some value it until they hit XXXXXXXXX amount of extra cost. Some only value it until they hit XXXX amount of extra cost. Most probably only value it as much as they're forced to.
  - kekumu 8y ago
    > EU users will be trained to click "Agree" without reading, because web sites would ask them for permission very frequently, and users do not have time to read web site policies anyway. From what I've read, opt-in is only supposed to be used when there's an actual voluntary choice, and "allow us to share your data with 3rd party trackers or we block you" doesn't count as a real choice. It should be treated in the same way as opting into marketing emails. Totally optional. Not opting in shouldn't totally break a site.
    - manigandham 8y ago
      > doesn't count as a real choice. Why not?
      - kekumu 8y ago
        Because consent must be "freely given". As soon as you start attaching consequences unrelated to the utility itself, you're making a decision less and less freely. The greater the power imbalance, the less free the choice. Social networks are a great example of this. You can choose not to use a particular one, but what's the alternative if everyone is already on that platform? You can go without, but what if it's LinkedIn, and there can be a real impact on your career?
        spookthesunset 8y ago
        > Because consent must be "freely given" But you do have a choice. Don't use the site if you don't consent to its rules. Pretty straightforward choice.
        takeda 8y ago
        Yes same as you have a choice to live without computers and electricity.
        manigandham 8y ago
        Definitely not the same.
  - takeda 8y ago
    > 1) Reduced number of services available to EU customers. because everyone knows that it is better to not make no money at all, than just a slightly less than normal because your ads are not targeted. > 2) EU users will be trained to click "Agree" without reading, because web sites would ask them for permission very frequently, and users do not have time to read web site policies anyway. Sure, and it is their absolute right to do so, but other people finally have some control over their data, I especially like the fact that finally user can also remove/change the data about them.
ajuc 8y ago
> I am against targeting ads and collecting/distributing my data without my explicit consent. Which is exactly what GDPR is designed to stop. You're welcome - the rest of the world.

takeda 8y ago

And this is exactly what GDPR does, you then have an option to opt-in. I wish regulation like GDPR would also be implemented in US, but really unlikely.

solomatov 8y ago
>And this is exactly what GDPR does, you then have an option to opt-in. I mostly like GDPR. Ability to opt-in and being of charge of your data, i.e. removing it from a service if you want to, and the right to export and move it to another service are great and long due. What I don't like is that it's a principle based regulation and thus it can be applied arbitrarily and selectively.
dennisgorelik 8y ago
Please learn from the experience of dealing with side effects of GDPR in EU first, before trying to push it to the US. The side effects would include: 1) Reduced number of services available to EU customers. 2) EU users will be trained to click "Agree" without reading, because web sites would ask them for permission very frequently, and users do not have time to read web site policies anyway.
- hk__2 8y ago
  > 1) Reduced number of services available to EU customers. That’s not a bad thing. If services that don’t want to protect their users’ privacy can’t operate, that’s a good thing. > 2) EU users will be trained to click "Agree" without reading, because web sites would ask them for permission very frequently, and users do not have time to read web site policies anyway. How does this have anything to do with GDPR?
  - manigandham 8y ago
    Not wanting extra regulation and associated costs does not mean a business intended to not protect their users privacy.
    - kekumu 8y ago
      It's a difference in how much a business values their users' privacy and data. Some value it until they hit XXXXXXXXX amount of extra cost. Some only value it until they hit XXXX amount of extra cost. Most probably only value it as much as they're forced to.
- kekumu 8y ago
  > EU users will be trained to click "Agree" without reading, because web sites would ask them for permission very frequently, and users do not have time to read web site policies anyway. From what I've read, opt-in is only supposed to be used when there's an actual voluntary choice, and "allow us to share your data with 3rd party trackers or we block you" doesn't count as a real choice. It should be treated in the same way as opting into marketing emails. Totally optional. Not opting in shouldn't totally break a site.
  - manigandham 8y ago
    > doesn't count as a real choice. Why not?
    - kekumu 8y ago
      Because consent must be "freely given". As soon as you start attaching consequences unrelated to the utility itself, you're making a decision less and less freely. The greater the power imbalance, the less free the choice. Social networks are a great example of this. You can choose not to use a particular one, but what's the alternative if everyone is already on that platform? You can go without, but what if it's LinkedIn, and there can be a real impact on your career?
      - spookthesunset 8y ago
        > Because consent must be "freely given" But you do have a choice. Don't use the site if you don't consent to its rules. Pretty straightforward choice.
        takeda 8y ago
        Yes same as you have a choice to live without computers and electricity.
        manigandham 8y ago
        Definitely not the same.
- takeda 8y ago
  > 1) Reduced number of services available to EU customers. because everyone knows that it is better to not make no money at all, than just a slightly less than normal because your ads are not targeted. > 2) EU users will be trained to click "Agree" without reading, because web sites would ask them for permission very frequently, and users do not have time to read web site policies anyway. Sure, and it is their absolute right to do so, but other people finally have some control over their data, I especially like the fact that finally user can also remove/change the data about them.

ajuc 8y ago

> I am against targeting ads and collecting/distributing my data without my explicit consent. Which is exactly what GDPR is designed to stop. You're welcome - the rest of the world.