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So it seems like we will find out if GDPR means European users have a 'right' to use your service for free with this case. If the EU rules against Google and F

So it seems like we will find out if GDPR means European users have a 'right' to use your service for free with this case. If the EU rules against Google and Facebook here I suspect the EU will become a digital wasteland. Companies like Google and Facebook wont leave but you will probably be charged for usage.

Pulcinella 8y ago
??? GDPR doesn’t require that EU users get to use your service for free. If you want to do business in the EU, you have to comply with EU law. If you don’t want to do that, then don’t do business in the EU.
- alternate24 8y ago
  Look at what this case is about, Facebook and Google are saying if you want to use our service you need to enable tracking otherwise don't use our service. This lawsuit states that Facebook and Google are not legally allowed to deny service.
  - Pulcinella 8y ago
    I am not a lawyer, but it seems that the plaintiff is basically arguing that, according to GDPR, if you want to offer a service in the EU then you can’t just have users waive their rights under the GDPR. You could not offer a service in the EU, but if you do then you can’t just tell your users “if you want to use our service, then you agree that GDPR does not apply to us.”
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  - jacksmith21006 8y ago
    Which is ridiculous. Ultimately they will have to just not offer products and services in the EU. The EU as others indicated will become a digital waste land.
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SneakerXZ 8y ago
Even if that was true the void will be filled with local competitors.
- infinitismal8 8y ago
  If a venture is not profitable for Google why do you think it would be profitable for a bootstrapped EU competitor?
  - Marysville 8y ago
    Because not everyone wants to make money by selling out there users. There was advertisement industry before it was even possible to track users.
    - infinitismal8 8y ago
      You actually didn't respond to my question. Reworded my question is, if Google can't make it work why do you think some random company that isn't Google can? Your response is very emotional and if you aren't interested inc conversing with me civilly please don't.
      - MemphisTN 8y ago
        Your response is also emotional and almost hostile. On your initial question, do you honestly believe that if Google or Facebook can't deliver a profitable service then no one else is capable? In my opinion, sice it appears that both Google and FB are high on users' data and don't want to consider alternative revenue models, they can stop beating around the bush and just quit the EU market. At least Google quit China and Facebook is also no existent there.
      - Marysville 8y ago
        Google can't make it work because they need to sell out there users. A random company does not need to do that. Even google doesn't do that if you're an enterprise user. So you see google does make it work if you pay them. The same way you can pay a random company.
Waterluvian 8y ago
I would loooooooove for the choice to pay for usage
jacksmith21006 8y ago
Exactly. The EU makes it impossible to do business they will just not support the EU. Already people in the EU wonder why the US tech companies tend to not bring features or products and services to the EU. Just going to get worse as there is plenty of other places to do business.
- hekfu 8y ago
  Sure, but the EU is not an insignificant market and to be honest, this could have a similar effect to anti trust laws. Have European companies build up competition against the US behemoths. China is an unfree hell hole that I don't want to live in (social score) but you can't argue that from the position of developing a domestic industry their selective blocking/worsening of services allowed the ecosystem to grow intstead of sharecropping on Google's "platform"
  - jacksmith21006 8y ago
    I do not think trying to slow down the competition will help the EU. Guess we will see. Think instead less product and services will be offered. If we look at the last 100+ years we can see Europe has fallen and continues to as the other continents rise.

Pulcinella 8y ago

??? GDPR doesn’t require that EU users get to use your service for free. If you want to do business in the EU, you have to comply with EU law. If you don’t want to do that, then don’t do business in the EU.

alternate24 8y ago
Look at what this case is about, Facebook and Google are saying if you want to use our service you need to enable tracking otherwise don't use our service. This lawsuit states that Facebook and Google are not legally allowed to deny service.
- Pulcinella 8y ago
  I am not a lawyer, but it seems that the plaintiff is basically arguing that, according to GDPR, if you want to offer a service in the EU then you can’t just have users waive their rights under the GDPR. You could not offer a service in the EU, but if you do then you can’t just tell your users “if you want to use our service, then you agree that GDPR does not apply to us.”
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- jacksmith21006 8y ago
  Which is ridiculous. Ultimately they will have to just not offer products and services in the EU. The EU as others indicated will become a digital waste land.
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SneakerXZ 8y ago

Even if that was true the void will be filled with local competitors.

infinitismal8 8y ago
If a venture is not profitable for Google why do you think it would be profitable for a bootstrapped EU competitor?
- Marysville 8y ago
  Because not everyone wants to make money by selling out there users. There was advertisement industry before it was even possible to track users.
  - infinitismal8 8y ago
    You actually didn't respond to my question. Reworded my question is, if Google can't make it work why do you think some random company that isn't Google can? Your response is very emotional and if you aren't interested inc conversing with me civilly please don't.
    - MemphisTN 8y ago
      Your response is also emotional and almost hostile. On your initial question, do you honestly believe that if Google or Facebook can't deliver a profitable service then no one else is capable? In my opinion, sice it appears that both Google and FB are high on users' data and don't want to consider alternative revenue models, they can stop beating around the bush and just quit the EU market. At least Google quit China and Facebook is also no existent there.
    - Marysville 8y ago
      Google can't make it work because they need to sell out there users. A random company does not need to do that. Even google doesn't do that if you're an enterprise user. So you see google does make it work if you pay them. The same way you can pay a random company.

Waterluvian 8y ago

I would loooooooove for the choice to pay for usage

jacksmith21006 8y ago

Exactly. The EU makes it impossible to do business they will just not support the EU. Already people in the EU wonder why the US tech companies tend to not bring features or products and services to the EU. Just going to get worse as there is plenty of other places to do business.

hekfu 8y ago
Sure, but the EU is not an insignificant market and to be honest, this could have a similar effect to anti trust laws. Have European companies build up competition against the US behemoths. China is an unfree hell hole that I don't want to live in (social score) but you can't argue that from the position of developing a domestic industry their selective blocking/worsening of services allowed the ecosystem to grow intstead of sharecropping on Google's "platform"
- jacksmith21006 8y ago
  I do not think trying to slow down the competition will help the EU. Guess we will see. Think instead less product and services will be offered. If we look at the last 100+ years we can see Europe has fallen and continues to as the other continents rise.