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The number that's been kicked around for he value of North American user is about $50/year. So $5/month will cover it.

by dhimes 8y ago

CaptainZapp 8y ago
The problem is that even if I pay Facebook this company is so utterly untrustworthy that I don't believe for one second that they wouldn't run their data sucking shenanigans on paid accounts.
- iainmerrick 8y ago
  I agree, but at least if the ad market is much smaller, the data will have that much less value. Various companies will probably still gather and sell data for even more nefarious purposes, like manipulating elections, but that’s a different battle.
- gkya 8y ago
  And that's why you want to have regulations. In the case you suggest, you could ask e.g. EFF if you suspected that they are abusing the contract, to sue FB in behalf of the users. Or even kick-start a big court case yourself.
adventured 8y ago
That's not the number that is being kicked around. Facebook will yield more than $100 per active user in the US and Canada for fiscal 2018. That's going to $200 from here over the next six or seven years (it doubled from 2015 to 2017). No meaningful number of users are paying $15 per month out of pocket for Facebook. Google search is similarly worth a lot per user in the US. People would be irate if they had to pay $10 or $20 per month to use search engines after commonly enjoying the free utility of that for the last two decades.
- lukeschlather 8y ago
  Per daily active user or monthly active user? I also think it's conceivable in a more equitable arrangement with paid subscriptions that you could easily have a sizable number of paying users not being active in a given month.
- dhimes 8y ago
  Last time someone claimed they knew the numbers I asked them to explain how. They disappeared without replying. So I'll ask you the same thing. If you divide revenue by users you get between $1-$2 USD. I need to know how NA are 50-100 times that.
  - maxerickson 8y ago
    Facebook publishes revenue per MAU on page 37 of their 2017 annual report: https://investor.fb.com/financials/default.aspx https://investor.fb.com/financials/default.aspx Note that it is reported quarterly (I had some numbers but took them out when I realized I was using 1 quarter instead of the year).
    - dhimes 8y ago
      OK thanks. Indeed, $100 isn't a bad number to use.

The number that's been kicked around for he value of North American user is about $50/year. So $5/month will cover it.

by dhimes 8y ago

The number that's been kicked around for he value of North American user is about $50/year. So $5/month will cover it.

The problem is that even if I pay Facebook this company is so utterly untrustworthy that I don't believe for one second that they wouldn't run their data sucking shenanigans on paid accounts.

iainmerrick 8y ago
I agree, but at least if the ad market is much smaller, the data will have that much less value. Various companies will probably still gather and sell data for even more nefarious purposes, like manipulating elections, but that’s a different battle.
gkya 8y ago
And that's why you want to have regulations. In the case you suggest, you could ask e.g. EFF if you suspected that they are abusing the contract, to sue FB in behalf of the users. Or even kick-start a big court case yourself.

adventured 8y ago

That's not the number that is being kicked around. Facebook will yield more than $100 per active user in the US and Canada for fiscal 2018. That's going to $200 from here over the next six or seven years (it doubled from 2015 to 2017). No meaningful number of users are paying $15 per month out of pocket for Facebook. Google search is similarly worth a lot per user in the US. People would be irate if they had to pay $10 or $20 per month to use search engines after commonly enjoying the free utility of that for the last two decades.

lukeschlather 8y ago
Per daily active user or monthly active user? I also think it's conceivable in a more equitable arrangement with paid subscriptions that you could easily have a sizable number of paying users not being active in a given month.
dhimes 8y ago
Last time someone claimed they knew the numbers I asked them to explain how. They disappeared without replying. So I'll ask you the same thing. If you divide revenue by users you get between $1-$2 USD. I need to know how NA are 50-100 times that.
- maxerickson 8y ago
  Facebook publishes revenue per MAU on page 37 of their 2017 annual report: https://investor.fb.com/financials/default.aspx https://investor.fb.com/financials/default.aspx Note that it is reported quarterly (I had some numbers but took them out when I realized I was using 1 quarter instead of the year).
  - dhimes 8y ago
    OK thanks. Indeed, $100 isn't a bad number to use.