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yeah but now the product is not free.

tazjin 8y ago
It'd be great if companies offered a "buy back your privacy" subscription model. For the services I really don't want to stop using (Twitter ...) I'd definitely be using that.
- gaius 8y ago
  They would take your money and track you anyway, and everyone knows it
  - tazjin 8y ago
    And be fined into oblivion.
    - amelius 8y ago
      How would anyone find out, and provide proof for this? Can we expect a EU government agency to validate companies on a regular basis? And if not, would they even cooperate with white-hat hackers to find offenders? Also, from what I read, data protection agencies have been understaffed and overworked for years now.
      - pjc50 8y ago
        Tracking which doesn't result in any visible effect to the users is fairly harmless. The more concerning stuff involves handing the data to third parties like direct marketers and political campaigns. Those commercial relationships are a lot harder to hide and generate a paper trail. "Why did this company pay you $x million?" ".. stuff?"
        tomatotomato37 8y ago
        When in doubt, make it a consulting fee
  - Aunche 8y ago
    You can choose to be paranoid about everything if you want to. Maybe your dentist is drilling fake cavities or your lawyer is giving you bad advice so you spend more money.
- deleted 8y ago
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- Anderkent 8y ago
  The users that can afford and would buy this service are exactly the ones that advertisers want to reach. If you stop showing them ads or only share data for people not willing to pay, the data becomes useless.
  - anonymouz 8y ago
    Tough luck. There is no fundamental right allowing tracking or advertising. There is a fundamental right to privacy.
    - deleted 8y ago
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    - Anderkent 8y ago
      Right, but what this means is a business often can't support itself via a mix of subscription and ads - if you offer both for the same content the value of your adds will likely crash, so it's mostly equivalent to just being subscription based
- scrollaway 8y ago
  https://gsuite.google.com/ https://gsuite.google.com/ A lot of people don't seem to know that GSuite is both usable (useful, even) and affordable (cheap!) even if you are a solo user. Here's a quick howto: 1. Go buy your own domain name (~$10/yr, https://www.gandi.net/ https://www.gandi.net/). Make it something you like, something professional. This is for your personal email address. firstname@lastname is the most common pattern. I recommend everybody do this. Even if you want to stay on gmail, yahoo, aol or whatever you can set up redirects. This becomes an email address you truly own, and your email provider cannot hold you hostage anymore. 2. Create a new GSuite account ($5/mo, https://gsuite.google.com https://gsuite.google.com) - The entire setup is guided and completely painless if you're even slightly technically-aware. 3. Migrating from a previous Google account: You can use Google Takeout to get a lot of your data (https://takeout.google.com/ https://takeout.google.com/). Unfortunately, migrating the data automatically is hard. For email you can set up IMAP from gmail, for Drive there's migration scripts. But you also don't have to migrate immediately, Google is good at multiple accounts. I know I'm sounding like a Google shill right now, but GSuite really is what people tend to ask for when they talk about Google's handling of data and say they'd pay $5/month to "regain their privacy". Well, here's your occasion to do so.
  - Macha 8y ago
    Is GSuite better from a privacy perspective? It doesn't show ads in gmail, but I'm pretty sure they're still tracking you and feeding that into ads on youtube etc.
    - beberlei 8y ago
      from the DPA that you can sign with Google with regard to GSuite: > 5.2 Scope of Processing. > 5.2.1 Customer’s Instructions. By entering into this Data Processing Amendment, > Customer instructs Google to process Customer Personal Data only in accordance > with applicable law: (a) to provide the Services and related technical support; (b) as > further specified via Customer’s use of the Services (including the Admin Console > and other functionality of the Services) and related technical support; (c) as > documented in the form of the applicable Agreement, including this Data Processing > Amendment; and (d) as further documented in any other written instructions given > by Customer and acknowledged by Google as constituting instructions for purposes > of this Data Processing Amendment. So no, they probably can't track and feed that into youtube ads, because it is not a cause that provides the service or support. Afaik Google announced last year that they stopped processing GSuite account emails to a large degree.
dangerface 8y ago
Good now they have to make it worth paying for.
- deleted 8y ago
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rinze 8y ago
It wasn't before either. You were just paying with a different currency.

It'd be great if companies offered a "buy back your privacy" subscription model. For the services I really don't want to stop using (Twitter ...) I'd definitely be using that.

gaius 8y ago
They would take your money and track you anyway, and everyone knows it
- tazjin 8y ago
  And be fined into oblivion.
  - amelius 8y ago
    How would anyone find out, and provide proof for this? Can we expect a EU government agency to validate companies on a regular basis? And if not, would they even cooperate with white-hat hackers to find offenders? Also, from what I read, data protection agencies have been understaffed and overworked for years now.
    - pjc50 8y ago
      Tracking which doesn't result in any visible effect to the users is fairly harmless. The more concerning stuff involves handing the data to third parties like direct marketers and political campaigns. Those commercial relationships are a lot harder to hide and generate a paper trail. "Why did this company pay you $x million?" ".. stuff?"
      - tomatotomato37 8y ago
        When in doubt, make it a consulting fee
- Aunche 8y ago
  You can choose to be paranoid about everything if you want to. Maybe your dentist is drilling fake cavities or your lawyer is giving you bad advice so you spend more money.
deleted 8y ago
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Anderkent 8y ago
The users that can afford and would buy this service are exactly the ones that advertisers want to reach. If you stop showing them ads or only share data for people not willing to pay, the data becomes useless.
- anonymouz 8y ago
  Tough luck. There is no fundamental right allowing tracking or advertising. There is a fundamental right to privacy.
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
  - Anderkent 8y ago
    Right, but what this means is a business often can't support itself via a mix of subscription and ads - if you offer both for the same content the value of your adds will likely crash, so it's mostly equivalent to just being subscription based
scrollaway 8y ago
https://gsuite.google.com/ https://gsuite.google.com/ A lot of people don't seem to know that GSuite is both usable (useful, even) and affordable (cheap!) even if you are a solo user. Here's a quick howto: 1. Go buy your own domain name (~$10/yr, https://www.gandi.net/ https://www.gandi.net/). Make it something you like, something professional. This is for your personal email address. firstname@lastname is the most common pattern. I recommend everybody do this. Even if you want to stay on gmail, yahoo, aol or whatever you can set up redirects. This becomes an email address you truly own, and your email provider cannot hold you hostage anymore. 2. Create a new GSuite account ($5/mo, https://gsuite.google.com https://gsuite.google.com) - The entire setup is guided and completely painless if you're even slightly technically-aware. 3. Migrating from a previous Google account: You can use Google Takeout to get a lot of your data (https://takeout.google.com/ https://takeout.google.com/). Unfortunately, migrating the data automatically is hard. For email you can set up IMAP from gmail, for Drive there's migration scripts. But you also don't have to migrate immediately, Google is good at multiple accounts. I know I'm sounding like a Google shill right now, but GSuite really is what people tend to ask for when they talk about Google's handling of data and say they'd pay $5/month to "regain their privacy". Well, here's your occasion to do so.
- Macha 8y ago
  Is GSuite better from a privacy perspective? It doesn't show ads in gmail, but I'm pretty sure they're still tracking you and feeding that into ads on youtube etc.
  - beberlei 8y ago
    from the DPA that you can sign with Google with regard to GSuite: > 5.2 Scope of Processing. > 5.2.1 Customer’s Instructions. By entering into this Data Processing Amendment, > Customer instructs Google to process Customer Personal Data only in accordance > with applicable law: (a) to provide the Services and related technical support; (b) as > further specified via Customer’s use of the Services (including the Admin Console > and other functionality of the Services) and related technical support; (c) as > documented in the form of the applicable Agreement, including this Data Processing > Amendment; and (d) as further documented in any other written instructions given > by Customer and acknowledged by Google as constituting instructions for purposes > of this Data Processing Amendment. So no, they probably can't track and feed that into youtube ads, because it is not a cause that provides the service or support. Afaik Google announced last year that they stopped processing GSuite account emails to a large degree.

dangerface 8y ago

Good now they have to make it worth paying for.

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rinze 8y ago

It wasn't before either. You were just paying with a different currency.