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> First, the new code of conduct makes clear that people who participate in any kind of harassment or inappropriate behavior, even outside our project spaces, a

> First, the new code of conduct makes clear that people who participate in any kind of harassment or inappropriate behavior, even outside our project spaces, are not welcome in our project spaces. This means that the Code of Conduct applies outside the project spaces when there is a reasonable belief that an individual’s behavior may have a negative impact on the project or its community. So, outsiders can muckrake and as long as they are loud enough, someone will be removed?

asfasgasg 8y ago
> So, outsiders can muckrake and as long as they are loud enough, someone will be removed? No . . . one has to actually violate the code of conduct to be removed. If there is no muck to be raked, then you should be in the clear.
- ThrustVectoring 8y ago
  "Harassment" is an open-ended enough term to make it nearly entirely up to the opinions of the muckrakers and arbitrators as to whether or not you violated the code of conduct. The sane response is to shut the hell up unless you have either tacit or explicit support from the ideologues that gravitate to the positions that let them judge you.
- Chaebixi 8y ago
  > If there is no muck to be raked, then you should be in the clear. This argument seems equivalent to the idea there's nothing to fear from surveillance if you have nothing to hide.
  - asfasgasg 8y ago
    I suppose it bears some structural similarities. "You don't need to worry about X if Y." The X and Y are different, though, so as with many cases where the variables change, the relationship may or may not hold.
- falcolas 8y ago
  > Discussing potentially offensive or sensitive issues Sexism does exist, but incidents are often blown out of proportion to intent. Whelp, there goes my ability to contribute to Go code. :)
geofft 8y ago
As long as there is muck to rake and the Project Steward is convinced. If there is no muck, no amount of waving a rake around will work. If you don't believe that the Project Steward will in general work in good faith, maybe you should avoid the project. (That last bit is true of all open source projects, you just usually don't know in advance who all the stewards are.)
swebs 8y ago
Yes, it has become a common trend on Twitter to attack your opponents by finding out where they work and complaining to their employer trying to get them fired. Making people lose their livelihood is an effective way to shut them up. I would consider this harassment, but apparently it's the type of harassment that these companies don't care about. A popular recent example is when people attempted to report a developer of the game Kingdom Come Deliverance. It backfired since he also happened to be founder of the company. http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/345/129/cfc.jpg http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/345/129/cfc...

asfasgasg 8y ago

> So, outsiders can muckrake and as long as they are loud enough, someone will be removed? No . . . one has to actually violate the code of conduct to be removed. If there is no muck to be raked, then you should be in the clear.

ThrustVectoring 8y ago
"Harassment" is an open-ended enough term to make it nearly entirely up to the opinions of the muckrakers and arbitrators as to whether or not you violated the code of conduct. The sane response is to shut the hell up unless you have either tacit or explicit support from the ideologues that gravitate to the positions that let them judge you.
Chaebixi 8y ago
> If there is no muck to be raked, then you should be in the clear. This argument seems equivalent to the idea there's nothing to fear from surveillance if you have nothing to hide.
- asfasgasg 8y ago
  I suppose it bears some structural similarities. "You don't need to worry about X if Y." The X and Y are different, though, so as with many cases where the variables change, the relationship may or may not hold.
falcolas 8y ago
> Discussing potentially offensive or sensitive issues Sexism does exist, but incidents are often blown out of proportion to intent. Whelp, there goes my ability to contribute to Go code. :)

geofft 8y ago

As long as there is muck to rake and the Project Steward is convinced. If there is no muck, no amount of waving a rake around will work. If you don't believe that the Project Steward will in general work in good faith, maybe you should avoid the project. (That last bit is true of all open source projects, you just usually don't know in advance who all the stewards are.)

swebs 8y ago

Yes, it has become a common trend on Twitter to attack your opponents by finding out where they work and complaining to their employer trying to get them fired. Making people lose their livelihood is an effective way to shut them up. I would consider this harassment, but apparently it's the type of harassment that these companies don't care about. A popular recent example is when people attempted to report a developer of the game Kingdom Come Deliverance. It backfired since he also happened to be founder of the company. http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/345/129/cfc.jpg http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/345/129/cfc...