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The existence of the universe itself

by ralfd 8y ago

erric 8y ago
Apologists have used the same argument for the last several hundred years and have done nothing to push the discussion forward.
invalidusernam3 8y ago
The only thing that proves is that the universe exists. Claiming that someone created it is only moving the question, because who then made the creator?
- rashthedude 8y ago
  This is a very famous point raised by theologians many centuries ago. Circular reasoning can hardly count as valid. What if the creator always existed? And besides no major religion deals with this point so I wouldn't have an answer.
  - erric 8y ago
    What if the universe has always existed, and every few billion years or so, a portion of it explodes outwards into a completely new direction of space?
castis 8y ago
So the existence of something is proof that it was created purposefully?
- rashthedude 8y ago
  If the existence happens to be a perfect construct. Nihilism is not a pass to spew pseudo science.
  - erric 8y ago
    LOL
  - castis 8y ago
    Define "perfect construct" if you could please; take your time, I'll wait. We're in agreement about nihilism, but neither is willful blindness.
    - rashthedude 8y ago
      Look around you... the fact that earth is habitable...the gases of the atmosphere are ideal for humans...the rotation of the planet allow for day and night...the distance from the sun(a little bit closer or further away and we would have been in trouble)...the human body in all its intricacies.
      - castis 8y ago
        Did your god intentionally design the system so that the sun sometimes gives people skin cancer? And is it intended that this cancer causes them to die slow and painful deaths?
        rashthedude 8y ago
        And we have finally come to the first line of defence for atheists...why do bad things happen. I could go on for hours but I would suggest to maybe take this off YN if you are really interested in my answer?
        castis 8y ago
        Did you not say the system was "a perfect construct"? The side effect where it kills people prematurely doesn't seem very perfect. Anyways, nice programmed deflection you have there.
DamnInteresting 8y ago
How does the existence of the universe prove that there is some timeless, extra-universal intelligence with the power to create universes? If there were a creator, it would add more questions than it would answer.

The existence of the universe itself

by ralfd 8y ago

The existence of the universe itself

Apologists have used the same argument for the last several hundred years and have done nothing to push the discussion forward.

invalidusernam3 8y ago

The only thing that proves is that the universe exists. Claiming that someone created it is only moving the question, because who then made the creator?

rashthedude 8y ago
This is a very famous point raised by theologians many centuries ago. Circular reasoning can hardly count as valid. What if the creator always existed? And besides no major religion deals with this point so I wouldn't have an answer.
- erric 8y ago
  What if the universe has always existed, and every few billion years or so, a portion of it explodes outwards into a completely new direction of space?

castis 8y ago

So the existence of something is proof that it was created purposefully?

rashthedude 8y ago
If the existence happens to be a perfect construct. Nihilism is not a pass to spew pseudo science.
- erric 8y ago
  LOL
- castis 8y ago
  Define "perfect construct" if you could please; take your time, I'll wait. We're in agreement about nihilism, but neither is willful blindness.
  - rashthedude 8y ago
    Look around you... the fact that earth is habitable...the gases of the atmosphere are ideal for humans...the rotation of the planet allow for day and night...the distance from the sun(a little bit closer or further away and we would have been in trouble)...the human body in all its intricacies.
    - castis 8y ago
      Did your god intentionally design the system so that the sun sometimes gives people skin cancer? And is it intended that this cancer causes them to die slow and painful deaths?
      - rashthedude 8y ago
        And we have finally come to the first line of defence for atheists...why do bad things happen. I could go on for hours but I would suggest to maybe take this off YN if you are really interested in my answer?
        castis 8y ago
        Did you not say the system was "a perfect construct"? The side effect where it kills people prematurely doesn't seem very perfect. Anyways, nice programmed deflection you have there.

DamnInteresting 8y ago

How does the existence of the universe prove that there is some timeless, extra-universal intelligence with the power to create universes? If there were a creator, it would add more questions than it would answer.