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It's going to be interesting/scary to see how the whole system plays out in the coming years and decades. It's obviously quite dystopian, but what if it works (
by Sol- 8y ago
It's going to be interesting/scary to see how the whole system plays out in the coming years and decades. It's obviously quite dystopian, but what if it works (in the sense that the population will overall be happy with it, not just from the view of a authoritarian government of course), there is no blatant corruption and the Chinese people are generally happy with it?
Maybe such technocratic methods of social control will become the norm in many countries? Scary idea for us in the west, but the Chinese model (authoritarian government + free-ish markets) already seems to be a credible competitor to western liberalism, a successful social credit system would be even scarier.
- yborg 8y ago>there is no blatant corruption So, carefully hidden corruption would be ok? Because that is what will happen, and probably already happening. If you're a family member of a ranking official in the Party, your score is just set to whatever you like, regardless of your transgressions. Eventually people will become aware of more and more instances of this and the system will actually generate unrest.
- mindfulhack 8y agoI like a comment like this. It's free of fear, and knee-jerk response. I actually see your point. Some people may feel a sense of peace by being tightly constricted by behavior that they're taught is OK to do, and what is not. In such a system, there's actually security in there. Some people love not having to decide how to live. But this is what trumps your thought: people in China wouldn't even be able to HAVE the conversation you and I are having right now (about this very meta topic, about how to organize ourselves) - and therein lies the problem. We objectively need certain individual civil freedoms, to even grow and develop as a society. So for humanity's future, China sucks. Its ideas are archaic, and its totalitarianism ISN'T the way to go.
- sitkack 8y agoThey can have it, they just can't have it in a public forum where it can spread. Participate in no communicable memes!
- fwn 8y agoBut that is, at least in the Western concept of social iteration, the only way to scale & accelerate discourse. No public discourse is just no discourse for most of its purposes. (Except for maybe personal entertainment.)
- loa-in-backup 8y agoThere's peer to peer dissemination as well. A network spanning a whole country nonetheless
- JPKab 8y agoI'm interested in how the authoritarian/capitalist model works when the growth is no longer modernizing, but innovating.