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Privacy: ability to opt out of all data collection. Microsoft privacy: inability to opt out of all data collection unless you pay for enterprise edition. This
by setquk 8y ago
Privacy: ability to opt out of all data collection.
Microsoft privacy: inability to opt out of all data collection unless you pay for enterprise edition.
This makes a mockery of any policy.
- glogla 8y agoAlso ads for Candy Crush in you operating system. Microsoft is scum. They have not changed from the 90s, they are just better at hiding it.
- setquk 8y agoYep. My only that some of the UWP apps you can’t uninstall easily like Xbox etc. Really the deal breakers for me recently are: 1. Privacy defaults to none and can only be optimised for none in Windows 10. Only did they back down for enterprise customers because they know they wouldn’t get away with it. 2. Bundling of crapware. 3. Shipping on by default telemetry in dev toolchain (.net core) 4. Blinding marketing detracting from the masses of data collection. 5. Any attempts to confront this result in silence, “it’s good for you” or “tough shit”. They’re not a good citizen. They just tell you they are. Unfortunately my livelihood depends on them at least in the short term.
- Fnoord 8y agoMicrosoft is reinventing itself. You can disable those ads. You can remove apps like Skype. Manually or with an app such as O&O Shut Up. I also use Classic Shell instead of the new start menu.
- tonyedgecombe 8y agoMicrosoft is reinventing itself. Really? I though that was just standard corporate marketing.
- cpach 8y agoThey are changing, that still doesn’t mean that all things they do are good things.
- setquk 8y agoYou're missing the point. Do you buy a car and have to peel all the advertising stickers off the windscreen, disable the tracking devices and scrub candy crush off the dashboard. Nope.
- adventured 8y ago> Do you buy a car and have to peel all the advertising stickers off the windscreen Yep, something akin to that. Nearly all dealerships - whether luxury brands or not - place some form of dealership identification / promotion on your car when you buy it and without asking permission. That can be a sticker in the door well, it can be an obnoxious attached badge physically on the car surface (never happens with luxury dealerships), it can be a license plate frame, and so on.
- jenscow 8y ago> Microsoft is reinventing itself. Agreed. They're no longer selling software licences, but targeted ads based on what you do locally on your personal computer. And people "allow" this by not jumping through hoops to disable it.
- Fnoord 8y ago> They're no longer selling software licences, but targeted ads based on what you do locally on your personal computer. They're doing both, but Google does something like that as well (that doesn't make it right, but it puts it in perspective that its the newest rage), and Microsoft is a convicted monopolist. The old Microsoft was much more evil than the current.
- actsasbuffoon 8y agoI don't care if they're better or worse than they used to be. I don't care what the other guy is doing. Forced telemetry is deeply, deeply unethical.
- miaklesp 8y agoHatera gonna hate What about Guitar Hero crap boundled with every Mac?
- danieldk 8y agoWhat Guitar Hero crap? Honestly asking, I have never seen anything related to Guitar Hero on my Mac.
- setquk 8y agoProbably means Garage Band, which is free multi-track recording software. How dare they ship privacy respecting productivity software with their OS instead of Candy Crush!
- danieldk 8y agoAh, thanks. For some reason, it didn't click for me. Probably because I always do a fresh install after buying a new Mac (which does not install Garage Band). But indeed, are we really comparing a productivity tool that isn't used to extract more money to a third-party game that thrives on in-app purchases? I guess that Windows users are generally less upset about such bundling, since OEMs have done it for years.
- setquk 8y agoYeah it only comes bundled if you do a "full" install off the MacOS media. I do a fresh minimal install on mine. Windows users, myself included, have always been upset about the bundling. When you buy a PC these days you have to spend about 2-3 hours removing all the crap from it or doing an install from scratch to remove the cocked up default windows install. I think that less upset is more toleration via attrition. Accepting the status quo.
- tinus_hn 8y agoAlso besides the disk space usage the extra apps do not slow down your computer in any way. They are not active unless you use them. Unlike much of the bundled crap on a Windows machine.
- isostatic 8y agoMicrosoft are nowhere near as relavant now as in the 90s. In the 90s you had no real choice - even at the end of the decade there were a lot of things that linux couldn't do. In today's world where the OS is the web, that doesn't really apply.
- isostatic 8y ago> Privacy: ability to opt out of all data collection. GDPR - I would expect that, for windows (which I believe comes pre-loaded with spyware), you would have to explicitly opt in > Microsoft privacy: inability to opt out of all data collection unless you pay for enterprise edition. Which just proves that it isn't essential to be opted in