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> You really shouldn't blame the victim Point is, he's not a victim, he's a criminal and has received his well-deserved punishment. > you've been reading more

> You really shouldn't blame the victim Point is, he's not a victim, he's a criminal and has received his well-deserved punishment. > you've been reading more news stories than him. When you go to another country, it is your responsibility to follow their laws. Ignorantia legis non excusat. >I grew up trusting authorities and them always being reasonable and I would never have imagined Germany was such a bizarrely brutal place. "Brutal". In all fairness, compared to US prisons, German prisons must feel like holiday resorts... As a German citizen, I trust my authorities to uphold the laws. > I used to have a nazi symbol on my car just to rile people up. No. You had Nazi symbolism on your car because you are likely someone who agrees with the ideology. This also reflects in the kind of people you hang around with. > Once a neighbor called the police who were completely reasonable and asked me to please not park so close to his house because it's making him angry. And in Germany, you would have gotten jail time (§ 86a StGB), have your car confiscated and likely destroyed, and probably would have lost your driving license because you have demonstrated that you lack the adequate character to safely operate a vehicle. And I would have been ok with that.

lopmotr 8y ago
You obviously know that it's a crime in Germany. The parent's friend obviously didn't. Are you actually in support of rule of law no matter what, or is it just this law you like? For example, are you OK with China executing Falun Gong members? Are you OK with ISIS killing gay people (it's the law of Islam!)? Are you OK with slavery as long as it's legal? Or are you just angry about Nazis especially out of all the other horrible groups in history for some reason? What about the Romans? They were pretty brutal - do you want to destroy the property of people who write roman numerals and write Latin phrases on things? Your extreme reaction doesn't make sense to me. > lack the adequate character to safely operate a vehicle It has nothing to do with safety. I grew up playing Wolfenstein 3D and watching the History channel. Nazi symbols were completely normal and everywhere. It was in no sense a crime or an indication that you're so mentally ill that you're going to crash your car. > No. You had Nazi symbolism on your car because you are likely someone who agrees with the ideology. This also reflects in the kind of people you hang around with. Please don't make personal judgments. I explained my reason.
- tscs37 8y ago
  When you go to another country, you follow the law there. If you break it, expect punishment. That doesn't mean the law is okay but the country is fully free to punish you as they see fit. > Nazi symbols were completely normal and everywhere. Not here. Outside of certain exceptions, don't go waving around Nazi symbols in the country that to this day regrets this part of history.
- KozmoNau7 8y ago
  >"I grew up playing Wolfenstein 3D and watching the History channel. Nazi symbols were completely normal and everywhere." You obviously should have paid a lot more attention, then. Can it with the whataboutism, it's not helping you. If you visit a country, you respect its laws and customs. You don't go around breaking them because you disagree with them. Leave it to the residents of that country to change their laws if needed, don't be an invading asshole.
  - lopmotr 8y ago
    I'm sure he didn't know that law. That seems to be lost on everyone in this thread. It would be a complete surprise to someone who didn't see Nazis as a real personal terrible anger-shame-inducing thing and who comes from a country with freedom of speech.
    - DocTomoe 8y ago
      > I'm sure he didn't know that law. Let me speak it out for you again: It doesn't matter. Ignorance does not protect against punishment.
    - KozmoNau7 8y ago
      Ignorance is not an excuse. Would you find it acceptable to go "heil Hitler!" at random people? I hope you don't. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. Your friend must have been completely and utterly ignorant of fundamental history. That's not something to be proud of.
  - lopmotr 8y ago
ahoka 8y ago
"And in Germany, you would have gotten jail time (§ 86a StGB), have your car confiscated and likely destroyed, and probably would have lost your driving license because you have demonstrated that you lack the adequate character to safely operate a vehicle. And I would have been ok with that." And no german would see the irony in this...
- KozmoNau7 8y ago
  German laws and authorities have very little tolerance for Nazis, for damn good reason.
- azeotropic 8y ago
  No, this was the ironic part: "As a German citizen, I trust my authorities to uphold the laws."
  - lifeisstillgood 8y ago
    We all do - we just watch very carefully when those laws are being written down. This is something we are learning in the UK as sweeping powers "necessary to implement Brexit" are getting pushed through Parliament. Only so very principled MPs are preventing really sweeping executive powers being granted - they are referred to as Henry VIII laws to give an idea how retrograde we are getting
fleitz 8y ago
I believe that the US established sanctuary cities precisely so that those who go to another country don’t have to follow its laws

lopmotr 8y ago

You obviously know that it's a crime in Germany. The parent's friend obviously didn't. Are you actually in support of rule of law no matter what, or is it just this law you like? For example, are you OK with China executing Falun Gong members? Are you OK with ISIS killing gay people (it's the law of Islam!)? Are you OK with slavery as long as it's legal? Or are you just angry about Nazis especially out of all the other horrible groups in history for some reason? What about the Romans? They were pretty brutal - do you want to destroy the property of people who write roman numerals and write Latin phrases on things? Your extreme reaction doesn't make sense to me. > lack the adequate character to safely operate a vehicle It has nothing to do with safety. I grew up playing Wolfenstein 3D and watching the History channel. Nazi symbols were completely normal and everywhere. It was in no sense a crime or an indication that you're so mentally ill that you're going to crash your car. > No. You had Nazi symbolism on your car because you are likely someone who agrees with the ideology. This also reflects in the kind of people you hang around with. Please don't make personal judgments. I explained my reason.

tscs37 8y ago
When you go to another country, you follow the law there. If you break it, expect punishment. That doesn't mean the law is okay but the country is fully free to punish you as they see fit. > Nazi symbols were completely normal and everywhere. Not here. Outside of certain exceptions, don't go waving around Nazi symbols in the country that to this day regrets this part of history.
KozmoNau7 8y ago
>"I grew up playing Wolfenstein 3D and watching the History channel. Nazi symbols were completely normal and everywhere." You obviously should have paid a lot more attention, then. Can it with the whataboutism, it's not helping you. If you visit a country, you respect its laws and customs. You don't go around breaking them because you disagree with them. Leave it to the residents of that country to change their laws if needed, don't be an invading asshole.
- lopmotr 8y ago
  I'm sure he didn't know that law. That seems to be lost on everyone in this thread. It would be a complete surprise to someone who didn't see Nazis as a real personal terrible anger-shame-inducing thing and who comes from a country with freedom of speech.
  - DocTomoe 8y ago
    > I'm sure he didn't know that law. Let me speak it out for you again: It doesn't matter. Ignorance does not protect against punishment.
  - KozmoNau7 8y ago
    Ignorance is not an excuse. Would you find it acceptable to go "heil Hitler!" at random people? I hope you don't. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. Your friend must have been completely and utterly ignorant of fundamental history. That's not something to be proud of.
- lopmotr 8y ago

ahoka 8y ago

"And in Germany, you would have gotten jail time (§ 86a StGB), have your car confiscated and likely destroyed, and probably would have lost your driving license because you have demonstrated that you lack the adequate character to safely operate a vehicle. And I would have been ok with that." And no german would see the irony in this...

KozmoNau7 8y ago
German laws and authorities have very little tolerance for Nazis, for damn good reason.
azeotropic 8y ago
No, this was the ironic part: "As a German citizen, I trust my authorities to uphold the laws."
- lifeisstillgood 8y ago
  We all do - we just watch very carefully when those laws are being written down. This is something we are learning in the UK as sweeping powers "necessary to implement Brexit" are getting pushed through Parliament. Only so very principled MPs are preventing really sweeping executive powers being granted - they are referred to as Henry VIII laws to give an idea how retrograde we are getting

fleitz 8y ago

I believe that the US established sanctuary cities precisely so that those who go to another country don’t have to follow its laws