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Depending on the type of hate speech in Germany, you can get thrown in prison for up to 5 years.

• joering2 8y ago
  Thats true. One of my ex classmates went first time abroad, and upon leaving zoll (german border) he told officer “heil hitler” out of pure excitement and probably too many historical movies watched (is there anything else to watch that is german made?). No amount of explanations was sufficient. He got 3 months behind bars and 10 years ban to visit germany. That was in 2007. I assume now its even worse.
  • cat199 8y ago
    excitement? that's just dumbness. Nazi whatever aside, these are border officers.. You don't mess with them, period, unless you're into body cavity searches and the like..
    • lopmotr 8y ago
      You really shouldn't blame the victim just because you've been reading more news stories than him. It's the sort of thing I might have done when I was younger. I grew up trusting authorities and them always being reasonable and I would never have imagined Germany was such a bizarrely brutal place. People often joke with the workers they have to interact with. I've done that before. It's human nature. I used to have a nazi symbol on my car just to rile people up. Once a neighbor called the police who were completely reasonable and asked me to please not park so close to his house because it's making him angry.
      • eropple 8y ago
        > I used to have a nazi symbol on my car just to rile people up. No healthy person does this "just to rile people up." This is profoundly fucked behavior, and in a sane society it does, and should, lead to ostracizing. Actions have consequences.
        • Pica_soO 8y ago
          If you have a whole class of people who have every hour of the day to nanny and harass other people - to rile them up- with any means possible, seems like a good cause. Bonus Points if you put a Hammer and Sickle right next to them. Creepy Thought-controll-freaks of all nations united- in outrage. My man.
          • DocTomoe 8y ago
            Hammer and Sickle gets you into serious trouble in much of East Europe, particularly in Poland and the Czech Republic.
            • picsao 8y ago
              Anarchy A gets you in trouble with all those little Neighbornittlers everywhere. I wish there was a name for this egomaniac psychosis that once you synced your opinion with the in-group you have a right to form the Spanish inquisition.
            • smcl 8y ago
              I’ve seen people (fellow foreigners) wearing hammer and sickle on tshirts in czech and it didn’t seem to cause any trouble. I’m sure people quietly thought “what an idiot” but nobody actually did anything. Weirdly a friend of a friend who was a member of the local football ultras threatened to kick the shit out of a someone who was wearing that iconic Che-Guevara-face t-shirt ... but nothing happened (and that’s probably one of the more violent people).
              • DocTomoe 8y ago
                In all fairness, you need to be a particular brand of idiot to show communist glorification on your clothing in the country that was subject to the violent break of the liberalization that we now know as Prague Spring. Anyone who has read anything about Czechia knows about that. I would expect czech police there to be more "nah, above my paygrade" when it comes to foreigners than German customs officers.
      • kuerbel 8y ago
        Are you serious? I am from Switzerland and live in Germany for 10 years, even in Switzerland I would not dare to say this to an officer. At worst they will take it as a personal offence, like I'd imply they are like the Gestapo and at best they'll suspect that I am on drugs or mentally handicapped.
      • DocTomoe 8y ago
        > You really shouldn't blame the victim Point is, he's not a victim, he's a criminal and has received his well-deserved punishment. > you've been reading more news stories than him. When you go to another country, it is your responsibility to follow their laws. Ignorantia legis non excusat. >I grew up trusting authorities and them always being reasonable and I would never have imagined Germany was such a bizarrely brutal place. "Brutal". In all fairness, compared to US prisons, German prisons must feel like holiday resorts... As a German citizen, I trust my authorities to uphold the laws. > I used to have a nazi symbol on my car just to rile people up. No. You had Nazi symbolism on your car because you are likely someone who agrees with the ideology. This also reflects in the kind of people you hang around with. > Once a neighbor called the police who were completely reasonable and asked me to please not park so close to his house because it's making him angry. And in Germany, you would have gotten jail time (§ 86a StGB), have your car confiscated and likely destroyed, and probably would have lost your driving license because you have demonstrated that you lack the adequate character to safely operate a vehicle. And I would have been ok with that.
        • lopmotr 8y ago
          You obviously know that it's a crime in Germany. The parent's friend obviously didn't. Are you actually in support of rule of law no matter what, or is it just this law you like? For example, are you OK with China executing Falun Gong members? Are you OK with ISIS killing gay people (it's the law of Islam!)? Are you OK with slavery as long as it's legal? Or are you just angry about Nazis especially out of all the other horrible groups in history for some reason? What about the Romans? They were pretty brutal - do you want to destroy the property of people who write roman numerals and write Latin phrases on things? Your extreme reaction doesn't make sense to me. > lack the adequate character to safely operate a vehicle It has nothing to do with safety. I grew up playing Wolfenstein 3D and watching the History channel. Nazi symbols were completely normal and everywhere. It was in no sense a crime or an indication that you're so mentally ill that you're going to crash your car. > No. You had Nazi symbolism on your car because you are likely someone who agrees with the ideology. This also reflects in the kind of people you hang around with. Please don't make personal judgments. I explained my reason.
  • r00fus 8y ago
    Worse? Germany takes that shit seriously. The first amendment (absolute freedom of speech) is not a worldwide thing.
  • umanwizard 8y ago
    It's unclear whether you mean you're German, and your German classmate was leaving Germany, or you're foreign, and your classmate was entering Germany.
  • DocTomoe 8y ago
    God, what an asshole. Three months seem hardly enough to teach this level of stupid.
  • Tomte 8y ago
    Unfortunately, those „historical movies“ didn‘t teach him anything.
  • KozmoNau7 8y ago
    That is basically the most hurtful and offensive thing you could possibly say to any German in a position of authority. It is cutting extremely deep into their greatest national shame, one of the worst parts of any nation's legacy and all of human history. Imagine going up to a Russian border guard and going "hail, comrade Stalin!". It's that bad, or worse. I hope he learned an extremely valuable lesson.
    • Fins 8y ago
      The difference being that the Russian guard will quite possibly like it.
      • KozmoNau7 8y ago
        Yeah, or he might be a neo-nazi. It's impossible to know. A better example would be going "hey boy, get back to pickin' cotton!" to a black border guard in the US.
        • Fins 8y ago
          Well, the difference is that being a (neo)Nazi is, rightly, illegal in Germany. Being a Communist (or even a Stalinist) is perfectly acceptable, and even encouraged from the top, in Russia.
          • KozmoNau7 8y ago
            Not exactly. What is strongly encouraged is supporting Putin's cult of personality. And Russia (especially Moscow) is more along the lines of crony capitalism these days. They do try to wrap it in nationalism and appeals to history ("back when the motherland was strong!"), but it's transparently about enforcing the oligarchy.
            • Fins 8y ago
              There's quite a bit of rehabilitation of Stalin going on, and a lot of "and if somebody was executed, well they were the enemy and deserved it". Reading Russian forums can be quite "entertaining" in a way lately.
  • joering2 8y ago
    Blows my mind people will downvote just because someone happen to say a relevant story.