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This is what the future will bring more of - not some all powerful AI - just a bunch of crap that didn't need to be tethered to the cloud that suddenly stops wo

by dsnuh 8y ago

This is what the future will bring more of - not some all powerful AI - just a bunch of crap that didn't need to be tethered to the cloud that suddenly stops working without much explanation, as the Deal With It dog laughs and dons his sunglasses. Edit: typo

cryptoz 8y ago
The two things are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, as Nest connections broke last night, Google collected, analyzed, and used more information than ever before in its quest to learn and know everything and keep it all organized.
- dsnuh 8y ago
  True. Maybe AI destroys humanity via constant trolling.
  - grogenaut 8y ago
    That's apparently how humanity is going to destroy humanity.
    - ratsimihah 8y ago
      If we're going down, we might as well have fun doing it no?
dsnuh 8y ago
Just wait until you are at Taco Bell, and you can't wipe the Cool Ranch Doritos Taco shell dust off your fingers because the Dixie servers are down. Yes, this is real. THE FUTURE EDIT! fixed URL: https://imgur.com/f5evsOe https://imgur.com/f5evsOe
- mikestew 8y ago
  Driving the point home by posting a URL that returns 404?
  - dsnuh 8y ago
    Fixed in edit?
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
    - mikestew 8y ago
      Nope, still 404.
      - pbhjpbhj 8y ago
        Works for me - link shows some form of electronic napkin dispenser.
    - squeaky-clean 8y ago
      Still 404s for me.
    - BarrettI 8y ago
      Still broken
    - dsnuh 8y ago
      What the frack? It shows up on my phone. I'm on mobile but Will fix it when I'm back in front of my desktop. It's just a stupid 8 second clip of a napkin dispenser, but now I am determined to share it with all you fine folk.
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
    - the_dege 8y ago
      https://imgur.com/f5evsOe https://imgur.com/f5evsOe
- 0xffff2 8y ago
  Your link 404s.
skummetmaelk 8y ago
Soon you will be able to tell which coffee machine your coworkers own by observing which days they are grumpy after missing their coffee due to brand specific server outages.
- dsnuh 8y ago
  Or was it that they just couldn't get their Ion to dispense the water they needed to brew? https://www.avclub.com/guy-reviews-his-offices-terrible-new-smart-water-cool-1820402910 https://www.avclub.com/guy-reviews-his-offices-terrible-new-...
  - ratsimihah 8y ago
    Their Nest cams got hacked and they ended up on suspicious websites doing suspicious things, oh wait, someone covered that already.
- qubex 8y ago
  Differential crypto-diagnostics
deckar01 8y ago
The devices didn't stop working, just the remote control features. You could still walk over to your thermostat/lock and press it's buttons. I'm not sure if there is a remote control infrastructure that doesn't use "the cloud" that is feasible for consumer products.
- radicaldreamer 8y ago
  If you get a smart lock, then you expect it to be reliable. What’s the point if you still need to carry your key around or sneak into your own home from time to time?
cptskippy 8y ago
Nest Products are not dependent on the cloud to function locally. The smoke detector, thermostat, locks, and security systems still function without an internet connect. That being said, without the internet you do lose functions that obviously rely on the cloud like using your phone to adjust your thermostat, phone alerts that your house is burning down, unlocking your door from your phone, or disabling your alarm from your phone.
- nitrogen 8y ago
  Do those features need a cloud connection if I am on my own wifi?
  - cptskippy 8y ago
    Yes. I'm split about if that's good or bad though. If they functioned without the cloud then the App would need to determine if it were on the local network or remote before attempting to initiate communication. There would probably also need to be an extra layer of host and client authentication. The way the Thermostat and Smoke detector appear to work is by polling a remote service periodically for commands. This permits them to go into a sleep and preserve battery. You could remove the cloud dependence by introducing a local hub that they could talk to instead which would permit the devices to remain unchanged but would introduce the added support complexity of a new device. Alternatively you could have the devices remain awake listening for incoming client requests in addition to polling the cloud but that would be detrimental to their battery life. The lease complex and most efficient way route is having the devices connect to the cloud.
    - ryandrake 8y ago
      It’s so silly, too. I played around with a Dropcam (I think that’s Nest now), and the fact that it uploads all the video data from my LAN over the internet to their server, only to immediately download it back to my same LAN for viewing is beyond ridiculous. It is a device that should work entirely unplugged from the internet, but here we are... I get that the internet is used for controlling the device remotely, but those of us that don’t need that feature still have to pay the price of bandwidth waste and round trip latency. Mind bogglingly bad design.

by dsnuh 8y ago

cryptoz 8y ago

The two things are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, as Nest connections broke last night, Google collected, analyzed, and used more information than ever before in its quest to learn and know everything and keep it all organized.

dsnuh 8y ago
True. Maybe AI destroys humanity via constant trolling.
- grogenaut 8y ago
  That's apparently how humanity is going to destroy humanity.
  - ratsimihah 8y ago
    If we're going down, we might as well have fun doing it no?

dsnuh 8y ago

Just wait until you are at Taco Bell, and you can't wipe the Cool Ranch Doritos Taco shell dust off your fingers because the Dixie servers are down. Yes, this is real. THE FUTURE EDIT! fixed URL: https://imgur.com/f5evsOe https://imgur.com/f5evsOe

mikestew 8y ago
Driving the point home by posting a URL that returns 404?
- dsnuh 8y ago
  Fixed in edit?
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
  - mikestew 8y ago
    Nope, still 404.
    - pbhjpbhj 8y ago
      Works for me - link shows some form of electronic napkin dispenser.
  - squeaky-clean 8y ago
    Still 404s for me.
  - BarrettI 8y ago
    Still broken
  - dsnuh 8y ago
    What the frack? It shows up on my phone. I'm on mobile but Will fix it when I'm back in front of my desktop. It's just a stupid 8 second clip of a napkin dispenser, but now I am determined to share it with all you fine folk.
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
  - the_dege 8y ago
    https://imgur.com/f5evsOe https://imgur.com/f5evsOe
0xffff2 8y ago
Your link 404s.

skummetmaelk 8y ago

Soon you will be able to tell which coffee machine your coworkers own by observing which days they are grumpy after missing their coffee due to brand specific server outages.

dsnuh 8y ago
Or was it that they just couldn't get their Ion to dispense the water they needed to brew? https://www.avclub.com/guy-reviews-his-offices-terrible-new-smart-water-cool-1820402910 https://www.avclub.com/guy-reviews-his-offices-terrible-new-...
- ratsimihah 8y ago
  Their Nest cams got hacked and they ended up on suspicious websites doing suspicious things, oh wait, someone covered that already.
qubex 8y ago
Differential crypto-diagnostics

deckar01 8y ago

The devices didn't stop working, just the remote control features. You could still walk over to your thermostat/lock and press it's buttons. I'm not sure if there is a remote control infrastructure that doesn't use "the cloud" that is feasible for consumer products.

radicaldreamer 8y ago
If you get a smart lock, then you expect it to be reliable. What’s the point if you still need to carry your key around or sneak into your own home from time to time?

cptskippy 8y ago

Nest Products are not dependent on the cloud to function locally. The smoke detector, thermostat, locks, and security systems still function without an internet connect. That being said, without the internet you do lose functions that obviously rely on the cloud like using your phone to adjust your thermostat, phone alerts that your house is burning down, unlocking your door from your phone, or disabling your alarm from your phone.

nitrogen 8y ago
Do those features need a cloud connection if I am on my own wifi?
- cptskippy 8y ago
  Yes. I'm split about if that's good or bad though. If they functioned without the cloud then the App would need to determine if it were on the local network or remote before attempting to initiate communication. There would probably also need to be an extra layer of host and client authentication. The way the Thermostat and Smoke detector appear to work is by polling a remote service periodically for commands. This permits them to go into a sleep and preserve battery. You could remove the cloud dependence by introducing a local hub that they could talk to instead which would permit the devices to remain unchanged but would introduce the added support complexity of a new device. Alternatively you could have the devices remain awake listening for incoming client requests in addition to polling the cloud but that would be detrimental to their battery life. The lease complex and most efficient way route is having the devices connect to the cloud.
  - ryandrake 8y ago
    It’s so silly, too. I played around with a Dropcam (I think that’s Nest now), and the fact that it uploads all the video data from my LAN over the internet to their server, only to immediately download it back to my same LAN for viewing is beyond ridiculous. It is a device that should work entirely unplugged from the internet, but here we are... I get that the internet is used for controlling the device remotely, but those of us that don’t need that feature still have to pay the price of bandwidth waste and round trip latency. Mind bogglingly bad design.