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Well we're at 4 or 4.5 now. 1. YouTube 1.5 YT Music (basically a music-oriented front-end to YouTube) 2. Google Play Music All-Access 3. YouTube Music Premi

by SllX 8y ago

Well we're at 4 or 4.5 now. 1. YouTube 1.5 YT Music (basically a music-oriented front-end to YouTube) 2. Google Play Music All-Access 3. YouTube Music Premium (from the article) 4. (or 3.5) VEVO I particularly enjoyed this quote: > The days of jumping back and forth between multiple music apps and YouTube are over. As the above list shows, this is demonstrably false. Given that YouTube Red (or YouTube Premium as they'll soon be rebranding it as) is also part of this package, Google Play Music All-Access is beginning to resemble something of an AV-oriented Prime membership. Lots of benefits, not a lot of focus, but hey, maybe they'll buy up PornHub and add PornHub subscriptions to the stack whether you want it or not, just to make your recurring monthly payments a bit stickier.

fluxsauce 8y ago
> maybe they'll buy up PornHub and add PornHub subscriptions to the stack whether you want it or not, just to make your recurring monthly payments a bit stickier Purely from a payment processing point of view, unless Google wants to fight Visa, MasterCard and other institutions this will never happen. There are a lot of restrictions around content and payment processors that you would assume is covered by freedom of speech that in a practical sense isn't.
- Cthulhu_ 8y ago
  Freedom of speech does not cover corporations, I really don't get why that is still being brought up. Credit card companies don't want to be held responsible if your CC payment is being used for the sexual exploitation of people. They don't want to be associated with revenge porn, etc. I'm sure there's a puritan reasoning in there too somewhere, but TBF I doubt that's the primary reason given how big the porn market would be for companies like that.
  - corobo 8y ago
    I imagine that's a part of it but also the risk of chargeback is greater with adult content. People get buyers remorse at the exact moment you think they would and reverse the charge Tried to start a site that wasn't for but did allow adult content and every payment processor closed their shutters on us
  - kuschku 8y ago
    And that’s why payment processors have to die. With bank transfers, no one except law regulates what you can pay for. With EC, same. With VISA/MasterCard/PayPal, selling cuban cigars in Germany from a German company to a German customer gets you banned.
  - Mindwipe 8y ago
    Freedom of speech SHOULD cover corporations. Especially in situations where an effective duopoly has frightening amount of international control that ultimately drawves most nation states, as is the case with Visa and MasterCard. Visa and MC should be broken up, or at the very least regulated to the extent they can't cough without regulatory oversight.
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      > Freedom of speech SHOULD cover corporations It does, the same way it covers everyone else: corporations are actors who have freedom of speech, a fundamental component of which is the ability to choose what speech they will and will not participate in, either as initiator or intermediary.
- SllX 8y ago
  Obviously this is an opportunity for Google to get into the business of making more payment apps. They're way behind the curve on that compared to their music and chat services, only having two at this point (Google Pay and Tez). There is an obvious hole right there that I'm sure they could fill with a blockchain or anonymous gift cards. Or both! They could be the leading service provider for using the blockchain to verify gift cards in a distributed ledger and use it as middleware to convert gift cards into Google Points. What are Google Points good for? Anything cash is good for! So buying ad placements (on Google), music subscriptions (provided by Google), extra cloud storage (in the Google Cloud of course, 'scuse me, Google One), stock (in GOOG) and groceries (via Google Express). Or you know, they could just inherit whatever agreements PornHub has with their existing payment processor that covers PornHub Premium on their way to reinventing Prime. That isn't as sexy as making 5 more payment apps though. Definitely not as sticky and not enough blockchain.
  - ikeboy 8y ago
    In their defense they did release 2 previous payments apps (wallet and android pay), but rolled them into google pay
    - SllX 8y ago
      Ah, that would be Google Pay and Google Pay Send.
  - Applejinx 8y ago
    can't tell if sarcasm o_O
    - SllX 8y ago
      There are always holes in the market and Google is always writing Apps to fill those holes. This is an effort to achieve maximum market penetration and their go to strategy these past few years has been to try a more diverse approach so that they can fill all the holes with their own Apps and Services. Why do you think I'm being sarcastic?
  - 8y ago
lmedinas 8y ago
Google does it with other products as well. See for example the Instant messaging apps they have done: 0) Google Wave 1) Google Talk 2) Hangouts 3) Google Duo and Google Allo 4) Android Messaging 5) other ? and of course of course the Task mess good has implemented in Google Assistant, Google Tasks, Google Calendar and Google Keep. Seriously Google needs to plan better their brands and services.
- chiefalchemist 8y ago
  There's another way to look at this. That is, The Google is not a product (or brand) company. It's an analytics company. Despite all the hype about it's greatness and genius it is still (for all intents and purposes) a one trick pony; some would say a monopoly as well. If this is your lens then their drunk sailor march of products is not much of a surprise. In fact, those who see it as a monopoly might even suggest its "failures" are intentional, or at least ultimately a (regulatory) positive for The Google. Side note: In the hands of just about anyone else, Wave would have - and probably still could - bury Slack. Wave was the future. A future that would have been mucked by ads. That was its downfall.
  - giancarlostoro 8y ago
    > Side note: In the hands of just about anyone else, Wave would have - and probably still could - bury Slack. Wave was the future. A future that would have been mucked by ads. That was its downfall. I mean they did open source it and hand it off to Apache: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wave.html http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wave.html Me and another online friend agreed that Wave was just too hip and cool and ahead of itself that regular users would never appreciate it, and I think Google realized as well, it would of been cool to have seen Google Code feature Wave as a feature of Google Code back in the day, maybe it would of made it more popular back then. It still saddens me to see Microsoft (CodePlex) and Google (Google Code) both shutdown GitHub alternatives which just needed more love and care given to them.
    - chiefalchemist 8y ago
matwood 8y ago
It's comical. Google needs some PMs/POs/management who can reign in all the obvious internal politics. Google could own the streaming market if they could just build a coherent product, instead we get what you listed out.
- gdilla 8y ago
  Google could literally buy the music industry with cash sitting around.
  - rapind 8y ago
    Isn't Apple part of that music industry? Considering they have a significantly higher market cap...
    - gdilla 8y ago
      no? they're just a retailer of music. I'm talking about the music industry - the people who make and distribute and market music.
      - rapind 8y ago
        Well they definitely distribute and market... and the creator would be the artist (most of the time). So you’re just talking about producers / labels I guess? Definitely not what I would assume when you say industry...
        gdilla 8y ago
        That is the music industry. The rights holders and creators (IP owners). The distro channels are part of it, but wouldn't necessarily change (you want to distribute everywhere you can). If google bought all the music IP in the world, the distro channels are unchanged (unless Google decided to limit distribution!).
- remir 8y ago
  Well, where's the CEO? Where's Sundar? All these different music apps and messaging apps... What's going on at Google? What a mess.

by SllX 8y ago

fluxsauce 8y ago

> maybe they'll buy up PornHub and add PornHub subscriptions to the stack whether you want it or not, just to make your recurring monthly payments a bit stickier Purely from a payment processing point of view, unless Google wants to fight Visa, MasterCard and other institutions this will never happen. There are a lot of restrictions around content and payment processors that you would assume is covered by freedom of speech that in a practical sense isn't.

Cthulhu_ 8y ago
Freedom of speech does not cover corporations, I really don't get why that is still being brought up. Credit card companies don't want to be held responsible if your CC payment is being used for the sexual exploitation of people. They don't want to be associated with revenge porn, etc. I'm sure there's a puritan reasoning in there too somewhere, but TBF I doubt that's the primary reason given how big the porn market would be for companies like that.
- corobo 8y ago
  I imagine that's a part of it but also the risk of chargeback is greater with adult content. People get buyers remorse at the exact moment you think they would and reverse the charge Tried to start a site that wasn't for but did allow adult content and every payment processor closed their shutters on us
- kuschku 8y ago
  And that’s why payment processors have to die. With bank transfers, no one except law regulates what you can pay for. With EC, same. With VISA/MasterCard/PayPal, selling cuban cigars in Germany from a German company to a German customer gets you banned.
- Mindwipe 8y ago
  Freedom of speech SHOULD cover corporations. Especially in situations where an effective duopoly has frightening amount of international control that ultimately drawves most nation states, as is the case with Visa and MasterCard. Visa and MC should be broken up, or at the very least regulated to the extent they can't cough without regulatory oversight.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > Freedom of speech SHOULD cover corporations It does, the same way it covers everyone else: corporations are actors who have freedom of speech, a fundamental component of which is the ability to choose what speech they will and will not participate in, either as initiator or intermediary.
SllX 8y ago
Obviously this is an opportunity for Google to get into the business of making more payment apps. They're way behind the curve on that compared to their music and chat services, only having two at this point (Google Pay and Tez). There is an obvious hole right there that I'm sure they could fill with a blockchain or anonymous gift cards. Or both! They could be the leading service provider for using the blockchain to verify gift cards in a distributed ledger and use it as middleware to convert gift cards into Google Points. What are Google Points good for? Anything cash is good for! So buying ad placements (on Google), music subscriptions (provided by Google), extra cloud storage (in the Google Cloud of course, 'scuse me, Google One), stock (in GOOG) and groceries (via Google Express). Or you know, they could just inherit whatever agreements PornHub has with their existing payment processor that covers PornHub Premium on their way to reinventing Prime. That isn't as sexy as making 5 more payment apps though. Definitely not as sticky and not enough blockchain.
- ikeboy 8y ago
  In their defense they did release 2 previous payments apps (wallet and android pay), but rolled them into google pay
  - SllX 8y ago
    Ah, that would be Google Pay and Google Pay Send.
- Applejinx 8y ago
  can't tell if sarcasm o_O
  - SllX 8y ago
    There are always holes in the market and Google is always writing Apps to fill those holes. This is an effort to achieve maximum market penetration and their go to strategy these past few years has been to try a more diverse approach so that they can fill all the holes with their own Apps and Services. Why do you think I'm being sarcastic?
- 8y ago

lmedinas 8y ago

Google does it with other products as well. See for example the Instant messaging apps they have done: 0) Google Wave 1) Google Talk 2) Hangouts 3) Google Duo and Google Allo 4) Android Messaging 5) other ? and of course of course the Task mess good has implemented in Google Assistant, Google Tasks, Google Calendar and Google Keep. Seriously Google needs to plan better their brands and services.

chiefalchemist 8y ago
There's another way to look at this. That is, The Google is not a product (or brand) company. It's an analytics company. Despite all the hype about it's greatness and genius it is still (for all intents and purposes) a one trick pony; some would say a monopoly as well. If this is your lens then their drunk sailor march of products is not much of a surprise. In fact, those who see it as a monopoly might even suggest its "failures" are intentional, or at least ultimately a (regulatory) positive for The Google. Side note: In the hands of just about anyone else, Wave would have - and probably still could - bury Slack. Wave was the future. A future that would have been mucked by ads. That was its downfall.
- giancarlostoro 8y ago
  > Side note: In the hands of just about anyone else, Wave would have - and probably still could - bury Slack. Wave was the future. A future that would have been mucked by ads. That was its downfall. I mean they did open source it and hand it off to Apache: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wave.html http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wave.html Me and another online friend agreed that Wave was just too hip and cool and ahead of itself that regular users would never appreciate it, and I think Google realized as well, it would of been cool to have seen Google Code feature Wave as a feature of Google Code back in the day, maybe it would of made it more popular back then. It still saddens me to see Microsoft (CodePlex) and Google (Google Code) both shutdown GitHub alternatives which just needed more love and care given to them.
  - chiefalchemist 8y ago

matwood 8y ago

It's comical. Google needs some PMs/POs/management who can reign in all the obvious internal politics. Google could own the streaming market if they could just build a coherent product, instead we get what you listed out.

gdilla 8y ago
Google could literally buy the music industry with cash sitting around.
- rapind 8y ago
  Isn't Apple part of that music industry? Considering they have a significantly higher market cap...
  - gdilla 8y ago
    no? they're just a retailer of music. I'm talking about the music industry - the people who make and distribute and market music.
    - rapind 8y ago
      Well they definitely distribute and market... and the creator would be the artist (most of the time). So you’re just talking about producers / labels I guess? Definitely not what I would assume when you say industry...
      - gdilla 8y ago
        That is the music industry. The rights holders and creators (IP owners). The distro channels are part of it, but wouldn't necessarily change (you want to distribute everywhere you can). If google bought all the music IP in the world, the distro channels are unchanged (unless Google decided to limit distribution!).
remir 8y ago
Well, where's the CEO? Where's Sundar? All these different music apps and messaging apps... What's going on at Google? What a mess.