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Citation needed on Steve being lower class. Lower compared to what? Based on the little I know about how he grew up, it seems he was more middle class than lo

Citation needed on Steve being lower class. Lower compared to what? Based on the little I know about how he grew up, it seems he was more middle class than lower, and also happened to grow up in the best place to grow up to rise with the computer industry. Middle class kids in Iowa don't live 20 minutes from Stanford, for example. So, I'd say "middle class with unusually good opportunities". I'm really not trying to say he didn't accomplish a lot, because he did, but let's not pretend he was seriously disadvantaged. Carmack seems to have more claim to being disadvantaged, although I have no idea if he is interested in making such a claim. According to some articles I just read he was arrested while trying to steal his first computer, and spent a year in juvenile prison, which generally doesn't happen to affluent people.

gowld 8y ago
https://games.slashdot.org/story/99/10/15/1012230/John-Carmack-Answers https://games.slashdot.org/story/99/10/15/1012230/John-Carma... John Carmack Answers: """ ... stereotypical geek aspects to my life growing up - phreaking, hacking (nobody called it "cracking" back then), rockets, bombs, and thermite (sometimes in not-so-smart combinations), sci-fi, comic books, D&D, arcades, etc. I was sort of an amoral little jerk when I was young. I was arrogant about being smarter than other people, but unhappy that I wasn't able to spend all my time doing what I wanted. I spent a year in a juvenile home for a first offence[1] after an evaluation by a psychologist went very badly. """ [1] Per wikipedia, the offense was: burning through a window, grand theft of computers, and then presenting as autistic to the psychiatric evaluator. From my outsider view, I get the impression that Carmack "grew up" into a relative well-adjusted adult with respect for other humans, but Steve Jobs never did.
adventured 8y ago
> Citation needed on Steve being lower class. Lower compared to what? They very clearly struggled when it came to money. Somewhere between lower and middle, is most likely. Based on the available history, Paul & Clara Jobs pushed their meagre finances to the limit to try to give Steve better opportunities, including moving to Los Altos because Steve was being tormented where they had been living. "Steven Paul Jobs was born on February 24th, 1955. Schieble gave her baby up to Paul and Clara Jobs, a working-class couple in San Francisco. Paul, a high school dropout who grew up on a farm in Wisconsin, made his living as a debt collector, a repo man and a machinist. Clara worked as a payroll clerk at Varian Associates, one of the first high-tech companies in Silicon Valley." "When Jobs was three, Paul moved the family from San Francisco to Mountain View, an unsophisticated town of tract houses and apricot orchards just south of Palo Alto." "Paul tried fixing up old cars and dabbling in real estate, but money always seemed to elude him. In the fourth grade, Steve's teacher, Imogene Hill, asked the class, "What is it in this universe that you don't understand?" When it came to Steve's turn to answer, his reply was heartbreaking: 'I don't understand why all of a sudden we're so broke.'" https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-steve-jobs-nobody-knew-20111027 https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-steve-jobs-nob...

gowld 8y ago

https://games.slashdot.org/story/99/10/15/1012230/John-Carmack-Answers https://games.slashdot.org/story/99/10/15/1012230/John-Carma... John Carmack Answers: """ ... stereotypical geek aspects to my life growing up - phreaking, hacking (nobody called it "cracking" back then), rockets, bombs, and thermite (sometimes in not-so-smart combinations), sci-fi, comic books, D&D, arcades, etc. I was sort of an amoral little jerk when I was young. I was arrogant about being smarter than other people, but unhappy that I wasn't able to spend all my time doing what I wanted. I spent a year in a juvenile home for a first offence[1] after an evaluation by a psychologist went very badly. """ [1] Per wikipedia, the offense was: burning through a window, grand theft of computers, and then presenting as autistic to the psychiatric evaluator. From my outsider view, I get the impression that Carmack "grew up" into a relative well-adjusted adult with respect for other humans, but Steve Jobs never did.

adventured 8y ago

> Citation needed on Steve being lower class. Lower compared to what? They very clearly struggled when it came to money. Somewhere between lower and middle, is most likely. Based on the available history, Paul & Clara Jobs pushed their meagre finances to the limit to try to give Steve better opportunities, including moving to Los Altos because Steve was being tormented where they had been living. "Steven Paul Jobs was born on February 24th, 1955. Schieble gave her baby up to Paul and Clara Jobs, a working-class couple in San Francisco. Paul, a high school dropout who grew up on a farm in Wisconsin, made his living as a debt collector, a repo man and a machinist. Clara worked as a payroll clerk at Varian Associates, one of the first high-tech companies in Silicon Valley." "When Jobs was three, Paul moved the family from San Francisco to Mountain View, an unsophisticated town of tract houses and apricot orchards just south of Palo Alto." "Paul tried fixing up old cars and dabbling in real estate, but money always seemed to elude him. In the fourth grade, Steve's teacher, Imogene Hill, asked the class, "What is it in this universe that you don't understand?" When it came to Steve's turn to answer, his reply was heartbreaking: 'I don't understand why all of a sudden we're so broke.'" https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-steve-jobs-nobody-knew-20111027 https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-steve-jobs-nob...