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>> never run a car inside the garage with the door closed Are you implying this is not common knowledge?

by beamatronic 8y ago

dx034 8y ago
Yes. I know a lot of people who start their engine while waiting for the garage door to open.
- Dylan16807 8y ago
  The car's going to make a very small amount of CO in those fifteen seconds. If you take 'never' as 100% absolute then it's going to really distort your numbers, if your goal is counting how many people aren't aware of and safe around the danger.
  - nkrisc 8y ago
    The reason these sort of rules are absolute "never" are not because you'll end up with dangerous amounts of CO in 10 seconds, but because it makes it a simple rule to follow. Is 10 seconds OK? 15? 30? When does it stop being OK? Following an absolute rule eliminates much of the grey area where mistakes are made.
    - Dylan16807 8y ago
      It stops being okay when you're not opening the door "at the same time". Such a rule has minimal gray area and shouldn't cause mistakes.
      - dx034 8y ago
        What if you open the door but the remote doesn't work? Then you go back inside and look for new batteries, meanwhile the car keeps running. Those cases will be rare but can occur. And switching on the car once the door is open costs at most 2 seconds.
        Dylan16807 8y ago
        What if you already opened the door and you shut it for a reason or by mistake? No plan is perfect. But opening the door a few seconds before is essentially equal in danger to opening it a few seconds after.
hangonhn 8y ago
It's interesting to see what some people consider "common" knowledge. Or maybe how common "common" is. I grew up in Florida's coastal area where houses are built on stilts (this is to spare the house in case of hurricanes and flooding). People live upstairs and the downstairs areas are largely empty. The empty space underneath the house is where people park their cars. This means when I was growing up and learning how to drive garages aren't a thing. No one told me about running a car in a garage. Later on, all the places I lived in did not have garages either. It's only in the last few years that I actually had a garage. Did I know about running cars in a garage is a bad idea? I had a vague notion from pop culture and stories of people gassing themselves as a form of suicide (hello "Office Space"!). I had no idea how long is "too long". More over, I've been parking my car inside the garage and then shutting the car off as my garage door comes down or slightly after (I sort of have to because the car's built-in garage door opener doesn't work when the car is off). I did this for a couple of years and nothing has happened. This lulled me into a false sense of security. Maybe this is a more ingrained into the majority of people's heads because they grew up with garages but that's never the case where I grew up.

>> never run a car inside the garage with the door closed Are you implying this is not common knowledge?

dx034 8y ago

Yes. I know a lot of people who start their engine while waiting for the garage door to open.

Dylan16807 8y ago
The car's going to make a very small amount of CO in those fifteen seconds. If you take 'never' as 100% absolute then it's going to really distort your numbers, if your goal is counting how many people aren't aware of and safe around the danger.
- nkrisc 8y ago
  The reason these sort of rules are absolute "never" are not because you'll end up with dangerous amounts of CO in 10 seconds, but because it makes it a simple rule to follow. Is 10 seconds OK? 15? 30? When does it stop being OK? Following an absolute rule eliminates much of the grey area where mistakes are made.
  - Dylan16807 8y ago
    It stops being okay when you're not opening the door "at the same time". Such a rule has minimal gray area and shouldn't cause mistakes.
    - dx034 8y ago
      What if you open the door but the remote doesn't work? Then you go back inside and look for new batteries, meanwhile the car keeps running. Those cases will be rare but can occur. And switching on the car once the door is open costs at most 2 seconds.
      - Dylan16807 8y ago
        What if you already opened the door and you shut it for a reason or by mistake? No plan is perfect. But opening the door a few seconds before is essentially equal in danger to opening it a few seconds after.

hangonhn 8y ago

It's interesting to see what some people consider "common" knowledge. Or maybe how common "common" is. I grew up in Florida's coastal area where houses are built on stilts (this is to spare the house in case of hurricanes and flooding). People live upstairs and the downstairs areas are largely empty. The empty space underneath the house is where people park their cars. This means when I was growing up and learning how to drive garages aren't a thing. No one told me about running a car in a garage. Later on, all the places I lived in did not have garages either. It's only in the last few years that I actually had a garage. Did I know about running cars in a garage is a bad idea? I had a vague notion from pop culture and stories of people gassing themselves as a form of suicide (hello "Office Space"!). I had no idea how long is "too long". More over, I've been parking my car inside the garage and then shutting the car off as my garage door comes down or slightly after (I sort of have to because the car's built-in garage door opener doesn't work when the car is off). I did this for a couple of years and nothing has happened. This lulled me into a false sense of security. Maybe this is a more ingrained into the majority of people's heads because they grew up with garages but that's never the case where I grew up.