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I like quite like Java but Oracle scares me. They've started charging for runtime licenses, which I never heard of before. Oracle is a good enough reason to avo

by rb808 8y ago

I like quite like Java but Oracle scares me. They've started charging for runtime licenses, which I never heard of before. Oracle is a good enough reason to avoid Java. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_java_users_non_compliance/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_java_...

meddlepal 8y ago
Meh. The Oracle bashing mostly feels like FUD. Yea you might run into license issues if you use the Oracle JDK, but the world has rapidly moved to using OpenJDK which is just fine these days.
imglorp 8y ago
Your fear of Oracle aggression is well placed. Please someone correct my perception here, but it looks the the goal of the rapid release cadence is now to get more enterprise support contracts: if you want to stay on LTS, you have to pay.
- dnomad 8y ago
  I think it's doubtful that anybody will be able to correct your FUD. Once you've bought into this delusion it really seems to trap people forever and rags like the Register are absolutely delighted to feed the fear with nonsense articles for precious clicks. Nothing can change the mindset. It doesn't matter that Java itself is completely open source (Open JDK), that Oracle isn't doing anything they haven't done before (you've always had to pay for support of EOL'd JDKs and JDK 8 is five years old like other EOL'd releases), or that, frankly, Oracle's actual track record here -- that is when you look at the actual actions taken by Oracle over the last ten years -- is generous to a fault. None of this matters to somebody who is committed to the FUD. In the end the thousands of businesses an thousands of open-source projects that use Java will continue to use Java. Others will invest in the FUD around Java and Oracle. Life will go on. It'll be interesting to see who comes out on top.
  - IAmLiterallyAB 8y ago
    I guess the worry might be that they will now potentially EOL a lot faster. No one will port their codebase every 6 months (or year or whatever). Not sure what the official EOL strategy is now.
  - michaelmrose 8y ago
    Isn't the support window for each iteration going to be like 6 months? http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html Aren't we talking about the company that wants to copyright api no matter what effect his has on the rest of the industry. The same oracle that buys and kills interesting project making the world a less interesting place. The people that are suing google for violations that the original owners of the IP tacitly allowed. You are awful quick to call criticism of oracle FUD and delusion. Are you sure you don't work there?
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      Google, Apple, Microsoft and IBM have taken similar actions when they see a need to pursuit such goals. All corporations are alike and many geeks are naive to assign human behavior to companies.
    - peterashford 8y ago
      How does this revoke the open source nature of the OpenJDK?
      - imglorp 8y ago
        It doesn't, rather I think Oracle's plan will end up driving people towards OpenJDK. It looks like they're firing their pesky B, C, D, and F customers and keeping their A ones, ie the ones who will pay millions in maintenance. The rest of us, who are currently tied to Sun Java for its stability and who aren't going to pay big maintenance, will have to switch to OpenJDK if we want stability. It's either that or constantly port every 6 months, and pray all the kabillion dependencies we have work okay.
    - 8y ago
- ksec 8y ago
  Oracle is definitely not a nice company. But they sure do take good care of Java as a whole. And I don't see any "risk" or threat if you are using OpenJDK.
- on_and_off 8y ago
  Too bad Google did not buy Sun. That would have made a lot of people happy.
watt 8y ago
Simply switch to OpenJDK (which is same code base, but without any Oracle angst attached) and be whole.
- pjmlp 8y ago
  Developed by the same Oracle employees....
  - peterashford 8y ago
    but completely open source. what's your point?
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      I am on Oracle's side, my point is that people keep giving advises to switch to OpenJDK as means to get rid of evil Oracle (on their eyes) as if it was developed by someone else.
  - afroboy 8y ago
    So now Oracle employees are monsters too? discuss ideas and facts not people.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      I am on Oracle's side, my point is that people keep giving advises to switch to OpenJDK as means to get rid of evil Oracle (on their eyes) as if it was developed by someone else. I don't even use OpenJDK, rather always install Oracle commercial's JDK.
      - Dylan16807 8y ago
        Because the evil is in the license. You're batting at strawmen.
        pjmlp 8y ago
pjmlp 8y ago
Sun used to do the same thing for EOL Java versions. Anything that stops businesses asking me to target Java 1.4 on abandoned Red-Hat 5 servers is good on my book.

by rb808 8y ago

meddlepal 8y ago

Meh. The Oracle bashing mostly feels like FUD. Yea you might run into license issues if you use the Oracle JDK, but the world has rapidly moved to using OpenJDK which is just fine these days.

imglorp 8y ago

Your fear of Oracle aggression is well placed. Please someone correct my perception here, but it looks the the goal of the rapid release cadence is now to get more enterprise support contracts: if you want to stay on LTS, you have to pay.

dnomad 8y ago
I think it's doubtful that anybody will be able to correct your FUD. Once you've bought into this delusion it really seems to trap people forever and rags like the Register are absolutely delighted to feed the fear with nonsense articles for precious clicks. Nothing can change the mindset. It doesn't matter that Java itself is completely open source (Open JDK), that Oracle isn't doing anything they haven't done before (you've always had to pay for support of EOL'd JDKs and JDK 8 is five years old like other EOL'd releases), or that, frankly, Oracle's actual track record here -- that is when you look at the actual actions taken by Oracle over the last ten years -- is generous to a fault. None of this matters to somebody who is committed to the FUD. In the end the thousands of businesses an thousands of open-source projects that use Java will continue to use Java. Others will invest in the FUD around Java and Oracle. Life will go on. It'll be interesting to see who comes out on top.
- IAmLiterallyAB 8y ago
  I guess the worry might be that they will now potentially EOL a lot faster. No one will port their codebase every 6 months (or year or whatever). Not sure what the official EOL strategy is now.
- michaelmrose 8y ago
  Isn't the support window for each iteration going to be like 6 months? http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html Aren't we talking about the company that wants to copyright api no matter what effect his has on the rest of the industry. The same oracle that buys and kills interesting project making the world a less interesting place. The people that are suing google for violations that the original owners of the IP tacitly allowed. You are awful quick to call criticism of oracle FUD and delusion. Are you sure you don't work there?
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    Google, Apple, Microsoft and IBM have taken similar actions when they see a need to pursuit such goals. All corporations are alike and many geeks are naive to assign human behavior to companies.
  - peterashford 8y ago
    How does this revoke the open source nature of the OpenJDK?
    - imglorp 8y ago
      It doesn't, rather I think Oracle's plan will end up driving people towards OpenJDK. It looks like they're firing their pesky B, C, D, and F customers and keeping their A ones, ie the ones who will pay millions in maintenance. The rest of us, who are currently tied to Sun Java for its stability and who aren't going to pay big maintenance, will have to switch to OpenJDK if we want stability. It's either that or constantly port every 6 months, and pray all the kabillion dependencies we have work okay.
  - 8y ago
ksec 8y ago
Oracle is definitely not a nice company. But they sure do take good care of Java as a whole. And I don't see any "risk" or threat if you are using OpenJDK.
on_and_off 8y ago
Too bad Google did not buy Sun. That would have made a lot of people happy.

watt 8y ago

Simply switch to OpenJDK (which is same code base, but without any Oracle angst attached) and be whole.

pjmlp 8y ago
Developed by the same Oracle employees....
- peterashford 8y ago
  but completely open source. what's your point?
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    I am on Oracle's side, my point is that people keep giving advises to switch to OpenJDK as means to get rid of evil Oracle (on their eyes) as if it was developed by someone else.
- afroboy 8y ago
  So now Oracle employees are monsters too? discuss ideas and facts not people.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    I am on Oracle's side, my point is that people keep giving advises to switch to OpenJDK as means to get rid of evil Oracle (on their eyes) as if it was developed by someone else. I don't even use OpenJDK, rather always install Oracle commercial's JDK.
    - Dylan16807 8y ago
      Because the evil is in the license. You're batting at strawmen.
      - pjmlp 8y ago

pjmlp 8y ago

Sun used to do the same thing for EOL Java versions. Anything that stops businesses asking me to target Java 1.4 on abandoned Red-Hat 5 servers is good on my book.