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SF needs more multifamily homes (apartment buildings). Now, I can see how SB827 could have scared lots of people, like in SF. If SB827 had passed, I am sure s
by llsf 8y ago
SF needs more multifamily homes (apartment buildings). Now, I can see how SB827 could have scared lots of people, like in SF.
If SB827 had passed, I am sure some SF neighborhoods and cities in the Bay, would have either defund existing or stop any new public transit projects, to avoid up zoning.
I think the City should just create a plan like Haussmann did in Paris. The City should start by preempting all the lots that are underused (parking lots, gas stations, car wash, single story commercial buildings, etc.) and build to the limit for the area. We could even keep the single story business at ground level (car wash, some parking, etc.). That should bring lots of units to the market.
Cities in the Bay should build more too. It is a bit crazy to have Apple or Google, creating those giant campuses for 10's of thousands employees, in cities that do not build anything close to accommodate the families of those employees. Cupertino and Mountain View welcome taxes from Apple or Google, but do not do much to house those employees and their families. Maybe every city should provide at least the same number of units as they have employees.
- nradov 8y agoThere are only about 20 gas stations in San Francisco. You can't have a city without gas stations; they're just as essential as housing.
- electricslpnsld 8y ago> You can't have a city without gas stations Manhattan has ~1 gas station per 42,000 residents, and it seems to be doing just fine. Back of the envelop calculation puts the San Francisco ratio to ~1 gas station per 43,000 residents, so it is about on par with other dense areas of the US.
- schoen 8y agoI just searched a few times on Google Maps in different neighborhoods and I think I found about 50 gas stations, which didn't feel like a complete list to me. Especially along Van Ness and Lombard (signed as US-101), 19th Avenue (signed as CA-1), and exits from the 101 and 280, they are fairly numerous. Google Maps found more than 20 in the southeastern neighborhoods alone! I don't mean to argue from anecdotes, but I've never known anyone who lives in San Francisco and owns a car to complain that gas stations are particularly rare or hard to find or access here. (They may often complain about parking, but not as much about gas stations.)
- propman 8y agoManhattan has a very robust public transportation system though. It's easier to get around the city and to friends, attractions and jobs without a car. San Francisco, definitely not the case. A lot of people live there but work in Palo Alto or Sunnyvale
- InitialLastName 8y agoRight, but the assertion was "You can't have a city without gas stations, they're just as essential as housing", which is a very, shall we say, suburban view of things.
- DrScump 8y agoManhattan has ~1 gas station per 42,000 residents Don't city buses and the major cab fleets have their own private fuel distribution? They represent a huge percentage of passenger-miles.
- volkl48 8y agoI can tell you that NYC cabs do not seem to, as they're often lined up 5+ cabs deep at the pumps at the remaining stations in Manhattan. The buses certainly do.
- dkasper 8y agoThis number doesn't seem right, there are way more than 20
- dpe82 8y agoYeah there's way more than 20. There are 10 just in the Mission.
- surfmike 8y agoYou can keep gas stations and upzone. When I lived in Oslo our closest gas station was in the basement of a four story apartment building and commercial center. (https://goo.gl/maps/vN2dH4zPd8U2 https://goo.gl/maps/vN2dH4zPd8U2 scroll till you see the Circle K)
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- DrScump 8y agoCupertino and Mountain View welcome taxes from Apple or Google, but do not do much to house Business/Industrial is where the tax base is. Apple/Google/Facebook themselves could have funded and developed lots of housing over the years but chose not to.