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Hey Ka-Ping! Maybe I did get carried away :) How I wish one could publish a dry document and expect people to read all the way to the bottom. I've published en

Hey Ka-Ping! Maybe I did get carried away :) How I wish one could publish a dry document and expect people to read all the way to the bottom. I've published enough libraries to know that's not the case. glom's free software so it's all there, as "shown" as can be. But referring you to the code wouldn't be very considerate either. Instead, here's this literate code version that I prepared in advance. Hopefully this will be of more help to you: http://glom.readthedocs.io/en/latest/faq.html#how-does-glom-work http://glom.readthedocs.io/en/latest/faq.html#how-does-glom-...

liteye 8y ago
In http://glom.readthedocs.io/en/latest/tutorial.html#access-granted http://glom.readthedocs.io/en/latest/tutorial.html#access-gr..., > After years of research and countless iterations, the glom team landed on this simple construct: 'years of research', 'countless iterations', 'glom team', really?
- mhashemi 8y ago
  You're yellin at a tutorial man. You gotta let some flavor text slide. :) That said, I'm no liar. Kurt and I (as a team), really did write stuff leading up to glom in 2013 (years ago), and have written stuff like it enough times that I've lost count (countless :P). If this isn't research, I don't know what is. Heck, I'm even getting a fun little peer review!
  - mlevental 8y ago
    don't sweat it dude. I've noticed a lot of people on hn are crabby assholes for absolutely no good reason. like on the post linking to Google's codelabs (where there are hundreds of tuts about all sorts of things in the Google ecosystem) there were only two comments and they were complaints. and recall that every time an electron app is posted almost every comment is whining about the performance. and every time a rust article is posted there's whining about how it's more complicated than js. and every time there's a js article posted there's whining about how it's not type safe like rust. and every time someone posts a personal page someone has to point out how it's "garbage on mobile" as if they're doing people a favor pointing out flaws (as if they don't understand that mobile is the most heterogeneous platform out there). I swear people don't know how to be grateful for free shit or just keep their mouths shut when something doesn't tickle their own particular fancy. I wager it's a defense mechanism because they themselves aren't making anything and so they need assert their superiority in some way (because people that are busy doing stuff don't have time to complain about things irrelevant to their own work). kudos to you and Kurt for releasing a library to the community that's different and interesting and fuck the haters.
    - bmarkovic 8y ago
      This needs to become a copy pasta + a version where we s/hn/reddit/g and every friggin salty post needs it shoved to them.
  - amjith 8y ago
    You've created something useful and it will save a lot of programmers a ton of time. I didn't find your writing insufferable. I've written tongue in cheek (or over the top) posts about my projects in the past. If they can't see the humor and the usefulness of the project, their loss. Thank you for creating Glom and thank you for posting it on HN. Count me in as one of your users.
skosch 8y ago
Thank you for glom, and don't let those comments get you down. Personally speaking – my heuristic is that maintainers who put effort into marketing copy (even if it's awkwardly exaggerated) are the kind of people who really want their users to enjoy the project, and that often predicts a low-friction experience. Keep doing what you're doing!
cscotti 8y ago
Dude, this looks really nice! I use nested stuff like that all the time - nested layers of flat data ;) - and glom (+T) do seem super appropriate and nice!
some_account 8y ago
Looks like a nice package. I will try it in my next project. The upcoming features sounded interesting. Keep up the good work!
brylie 8y ago
My only concern is that the documentation renders poorly on mobile. So I couldn't read the right half of the page.
zestyping 8y ago
I was frustrated. I apologize. I do still believe the frequency and intensity of hyperbolic language is a real obstacle to understanding and appreciating your project, and I hope you take that feedback to heart. But to call you "extremely proud of yourself" was unnecessarily personal, and I'm sorry I said that.

liteye 8y ago

In http://glom.readthedocs.io/en/latest/tutorial.html#access-granted http://glom.readthedocs.io/en/latest/tutorial.html#access-gr..., > After years of research and countless iterations, the glom team landed on this simple construct: 'years of research', 'countless iterations', 'glom team', really?

mhashemi 8y ago
You're yellin at a tutorial man. You gotta let some flavor text slide. :) That said, I'm no liar. Kurt and I (as a team), really did write stuff leading up to glom in 2013 (years ago), and have written stuff like it enough times that I've lost count (countless :P). If this isn't research, I don't know what is. Heck, I'm even getting a fun little peer review!
- mlevental 8y ago
  don't sweat it dude. I've noticed a lot of people on hn are crabby assholes for absolutely no good reason. like on the post linking to Google's codelabs (where there are hundreds of tuts about all sorts of things in the Google ecosystem) there were only two comments and they were complaints. and recall that every time an electron app is posted almost every comment is whining about the performance. and every time a rust article is posted there's whining about how it's more complicated than js. and every time there's a js article posted there's whining about how it's not type safe like rust. and every time someone posts a personal page someone has to point out how it's "garbage on mobile" as if they're doing people a favor pointing out flaws (as if they don't understand that mobile is the most heterogeneous platform out there). I swear people don't know how to be grateful for free shit or just keep their mouths shut when something doesn't tickle their own particular fancy. I wager it's a defense mechanism because they themselves aren't making anything and so they need assert their superiority in some way (because people that are busy doing stuff don't have time to complain about things irrelevant to their own work). kudos to you and Kurt for releasing a library to the community that's different and interesting and fuck the haters.
  - bmarkovic 8y ago
    This needs to become a copy pasta + a version where we s/hn/reddit/g and every friggin salty post needs it shoved to them.
- amjith 8y ago
  You've created something useful and it will save a lot of programmers a ton of time. I didn't find your writing insufferable. I've written tongue in cheek (or over the top) posts about my projects in the past. If they can't see the humor and the usefulness of the project, their loss. Thank you for creating Glom and thank you for posting it on HN. Count me in as one of your users.

skosch 8y ago

Thank you for glom, and don't let those comments get you down. Personally speaking – my heuristic is that maintainers who put effort into marketing copy (even if it's awkwardly exaggerated) are the kind of people who really want their users to enjoy the project, and that often predicts a low-friction experience. Keep doing what you're doing!

cscotti 8y ago

Dude, this looks really nice! I use nested stuff like that all the time - nested layers of flat data ;) - and glom (+T) do seem super appropriate and nice!

some_account 8y ago

Looks like a nice package. I will try it in my next project. The upcoming features sounded interesting. Keep up the good work!

brylie 8y ago

My only concern is that the documentation renders poorly on mobile. So I couldn't read the right half of the page.

zestyping 8y ago

I was frustrated. I apologize. I do still believe the frequency and intensity of hyperbolic language is a real obstacle to understanding and appreciating your project, and I hope you take that feedback to heart. But to call you "extremely proud of yourself" was unnecessarily personal, and I'm sorry I said that.