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Butterick has Strong Opinions™ about Kindle typography that led him to that position. I largely share those opinions, to be fair, although I think it's a bit of

Butterick has Strong Opinions™ about Kindle typography that led him to that position. I largely share those opinions, to be fair, although I think it's a bit of a quixotic enterprise for many books; offline is more important than beauty. (And, really, the Kindle could do most of these tricks if Amazon gave a rat's ass; Apple's iBooks can do nearly everything that any other WebKit browser can with regards to typography.) Having said that, though, this is a book that I'd argue is better in the browser than on the Kindle or as a PDF. I want to be able to read this with a code editor open, and the book side-by-side in a separate window. PDF books don't reflow, and in my experience Kindle just isn't particularly good for tech books.

e12e 9y ago
> I want to be able to read this with a code editor open, and the book side-by-side in a separate window. Like this? https://xkcd.com/1988/ https://xkcd.com/1988/
- baldfat 9y ago
  I do it with two monitors like this: https://i.imgur.com/QZWIvNq.jpg https://i.imgur.com/QZWIvNq.jpg
  - PhasmaFelis 9y ago
    I'm a big fan of rotatable monitors. A 4x3 display rotated to portrait is fantastic for reading most PDFs, if you set Acrobat to Fullscreen and Single Page View. As a bonus, lots of offices have a closet full of old 4x3 Dell flat-panels somewhere, so there's no hassle with procurement.
- chipotle_coyote 9y ago
  Only when the book is "Learn Docker in 24 Hours."
timClicks 9y ago
eBook reader typography - my experience is drawn from using a Kobo with various EPUB & PDF from multiple publishers - is almost always terrible. Among other things, code listings tend to be a mess. It's frustrating when technical publishers release digital versions of their works, and the code snippets (for example) turn out to be PNG files. That works great for a PDF intended to be printed on paper, but doesn't scale well to an ebook reader.
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oofoe 9y ago
The biggest problem I have about not getting an offline copy is that he makes it clear that if the book does not perform to his expectations, then he will take it down. So, even if I pay for this wonderful book (and it /is/ wonderful!) and nobody else/not enough other people do... And then it's gone!
- gowld 9y ago
  It's already gone, so, no harm, no foul. (Hugged to death.) If you can connect to the site, you could wget/curl after you pay.
jimmaswell 9y ago
What can any of these specialty devices do that a tablet with some apps can't?
- chipotle_coyote 9y ago
  Well, the main claim to fame for the Kindle over, say, an iPad (or even Amazon's own Fire tablet) is the e-ink screen. It really does make a difference in reading fatigue in my experience, I suspect because it's lit like paper, i.e., by reflective light. And, of course, the e-ink screen also means that it runs weeks without needing to be recharged.
  - jimmaswell 9y ago
    I've never been able to understand this. I read from screens nearly all day and I've read books for many hours in a row on normal tablets. I have to wonder if this is nothing but a nocebo that will stop being a "thing" once screen reading is more common, like alleged motion sickness from normal television.
    - jamesgeck0 9y ago
      Not everyone is you. People tend to blink less when looking at a bright, backlit screen than they do when looking at a passively lit screen. The eye is dryer when you blink less, and thus more easily irritated. "Computer Vision Syndrome" brings up 250,000 hits on Google Scholar. I'm skeptical that it's a nocebo at this point.
    - criddell 9y ago
      Even if reading from a backlit screen doesn't bother you, you have to recognize that reading outside is much better on an e-ink display. I have a Kindle and I like it because it's small, the battery lasts forever, it's single-purpose, its inexpensive, and is usable in all lighting conditions. Of course you can come up with an equivalent list for your tablet, but the reasons will be different and those differences are enough to justify both products existing.
gowld 9y ago
> Butterick has Strong Opinions™ about Kindle typography Apparently so, as the website has a strange skinny/tall hard-to-read font for prose, and another strange hard-to-read font for code.
- bhrgunatha 9y ago
  Luckily there are browser extensions like Stylus [1] to help fix these design decisions that don't account for those of us with poorer eye sight or older screens. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/styl-us/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/styl-us/
newscracker 9y ago
He has strong opinions about typography, period. It's not just about Kindle or any other device or format. I do recall asking about a PDF or ePub version of Practical Typography [1], but he refused saying none of the eBook formats are good enough. While I understand that to some extent for a book on typography, I don't understand it for a book on programming. [1]: https://practicaltypography.com/ https://practicaltypography.com/
xfer 9y ago
Well, does the author supply a bundled html for download? I don't like paying for things that can vanish any day, you can open a pdf viewer side-by-side a code editor too.

e12e 9y ago

> I want to be able to read this with a code editor open, and the book side-by-side in a separate window. Like this? https://xkcd.com/1988/ https://xkcd.com/1988/

baldfat 9y ago
I do it with two monitors like this: https://i.imgur.com/QZWIvNq.jpg https://i.imgur.com/QZWIvNq.jpg
- PhasmaFelis 9y ago
  I'm a big fan of rotatable monitors. A 4x3 display rotated to portrait is fantastic for reading most PDFs, if you set Acrobat to Fullscreen and Single Page View. As a bonus, lots of offices have a closet full of old 4x3 Dell flat-panels somewhere, so there's no hassle with procurement.
chipotle_coyote 9y ago
Only when the book is "Learn Docker in 24 Hours."

timClicks 9y ago

eBook reader typography - my experience is drawn from using a Kobo with various EPUB & PDF from multiple publishers - is almost always terrible. Among other things, code listings tend to be a mess. It's frustrating when technical publishers release digital versions of their works, and the code snippets (for example) turn out to be PNG files. That works great for a PDF intended to be printed on paper, but doesn't scale well to an ebook reader.

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oofoe 9y ago

The biggest problem I have about not getting an offline copy is that he makes it clear that if the book does not perform to his expectations, then he will take it down. So, even if I pay for this wonderful book (and it /is/ wonderful!) and nobody else/not enough other people do... And then it's gone!

gowld 9y ago
It's already gone, so, no harm, no foul. (Hugged to death.) If you can connect to the site, you could wget/curl after you pay.

jimmaswell 9y ago

What can any of these specialty devices do that a tablet with some apps can't?

chipotle_coyote 9y ago
Well, the main claim to fame for the Kindle over, say, an iPad (or even Amazon's own Fire tablet) is the e-ink screen. It really does make a difference in reading fatigue in my experience, I suspect because it's lit like paper, i.e., by reflective light. And, of course, the e-ink screen also means that it runs weeks without needing to be recharged.
- jimmaswell 9y ago
  I've never been able to understand this. I read from screens nearly all day and I've read books for many hours in a row on normal tablets. I have to wonder if this is nothing but a nocebo that will stop being a "thing" once screen reading is more common, like alleged motion sickness from normal television.
  - jamesgeck0 9y ago
    Not everyone is you. People tend to blink less when looking at a bright, backlit screen than they do when looking at a passively lit screen. The eye is dryer when you blink less, and thus more easily irritated. "Computer Vision Syndrome" brings up 250,000 hits on Google Scholar. I'm skeptical that it's a nocebo at this point.
  - criddell 9y ago
    Even if reading from a backlit screen doesn't bother you, you have to recognize that reading outside is much better on an e-ink display. I have a Kindle and I like it because it's small, the battery lasts forever, it's single-purpose, its inexpensive, and is usable in all lighting conditions. Of course you can come up with an equivalent list for your tablet, but the reasons will be different and those differences are enough to justify both products existing.

gowld 9y ago

> Butterick has Strong Opinions™ about Kindle typography Apparently so, as the website has a strange skinny/tall hard-to-read font for prose, and another strange hard-to-read font for code.

bhrgunatha 9y ago
Luckily there are browser extensions like Stylus [1] to help fix these design decisions that don't account for those of us with poorer eye sight or older screens. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/styl-us/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/styl-us/

newscracker 9y ago

He has strong opinions about typography, period. It's not just about Kindle or any other device or format. I do recall asking about a PDF or ePub version of Practical Typography [1], but he refused saying none of the eBook formats are good enough. While I understand that to some extent for a book on typography, I don't understand it for a book on programming. [1]: https://practicaltypography.com/ https://practicaltypography.com/

xfer 9y ago

Well, does the author supply a bundled html for download? I don't like paying for things that can vanish any day, you can open a pdf viewer side-by-side a code editor too.