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Growing a Time Tracking Software to $316,000/Month
- jessaustin 8y ago[EDIT:] Never mind folks, your marketing is perfect. Forget I said anything.
- swampthinker 8y agoIs something just flying over my head? What's off about that?
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- atomical 8y agoWhy?
- jessaustin 8y ago[EDIT:] Never mind folks, your marketing is perfect. Forget I said anything.
- coralreef 8y agoWhat
- jmalicki 8y agoWhere does he claim to be a natural-born American citizen? And why does that matter?
- leesalminen 8y agoI’m not following, either.
- asdsa5325 8y agoI don't understand, why is this significant?
- atomical 8y agoOriginal comment: https://www.dropbox.com/s/v4myjf7ds416hx7/Screenshot%202018-05-09%2016.12.24.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/v4myjf7ds416hx7/Screenshot%202018-...
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- BrentOzar 8y agoI wonder if they don’t have a partnership deal with Upwork. I’ve hired freelancers through Upwork, and you get a series of screenshots of the freelancer’s screens if you want it. (It helped me catch someone trying to defraud me - they had the exact same Microsoft Word screen up for hours on end, billing but not actually doing anything.) A partner deal with Upwork would explain the seemingly crazy high revenues.
- lwhalen 8y agoThey're an opt-in pervasive surveillance company, but instead of sharing the data with advertisers, they share it with your employer. I can't personally imagine ever willingly using their product, but apparently many other people can. Congratulations, I think?
- banananana 8y agoGood way to identify which companies you shouldn't work for, I guess.
- lwhalen 8y agoAll of my agreements
- landryraccoon 8y agoBut I wouldn’t mind having a bank account, credit card, health insurance / healthcare or prescription drugs from a place that did this.
- mperham 8y agoIs it just me or is failory a blatant copy of indiehackers?
- madjam002 8y agoI thought it was Indiehackers until I saw this comment and checked the domain
- curuinor 8y agoI mean, the name and everything indicate a much, much stronger emphasis on failures. The design's definitely a ripoff, true
- dx034 8y agoThe design's is one of those standard templates that 90% of new sites appear to use (my estimate). Wouldn't call that a rip off, just not very creative. But then again, hiring designers to come up with something completely new isn't cheap.
- nicoserdeir 8y agoHey there! I am Rich, maker of Failory. I was 100% inspired by IH when building Failory. I love Indie Hacker interviews and I am really active in their community :)
- jacob_rezi 8y agoNo problem with that!
- learc83 8y agoI'm definitely never working for a company that uses this product. Any employer that feels the need to constantly review screenshots of my work is an employer that I don't want to work for.
- openmosix 8y agoInstacart seems a customer (from their landing page). I'm wondering it they track their devs this way.
- state_less 8y agoThere ought to be a site to show whether a company does time tracking or other excessive surveillance techniques. Would be helpful to filter out employers before hand. It'd also be helpful when making purchases. I'd prefer to buy from alternative suppliers when available (e.g. buying from Costco vs. Walmart)
- ggg9990 8y agoI would feel better as a customer if I knew that anyone with privileges to access user data ran software like this.
- learc83 8y agoWhy? It takes a screenshot every 10 minutes or so. Easy to misuse data between screenshots. And I really doubt management is looking very hard for data misuse, they most likely care more about employees wasting time. Also the software now has your data as well so you have to trust a 3rd party company in addition to the one you're doing business with. In addition, the screenshots are getting shared around the company increasing the risk even further.
- dx034 8y agoI would assume they track anyone working with customer data or other sensitive data to ensure they don't misuse the access.
- solomatov 8y agoI wouldn't call it time tracking software. IMO, what they do is very evil practice, it leaves employees no personal space at their workplace. Imagine receiving a highly personal message via skype or email, and a manager seeing it. It leads to employees hating their job and wanting to leave their workplace as soon as possible.
- Rapzid 8y agoCall centers and such. You got a bunch of MBAs "leading" a massive amount of entry-level workers. They pretty much look down on and dehumanize their entire workforce. I'm not sure what's worse; being on the floor or being the sorta-manager that busted their ass hard enough to scrape a few extra dollars an hour but has to now act as a buffer between the MBAs and the floor workers, of which they used to be, all while being too scared to truly stick up for them due to the risk of losing their job..
- bdcravens 8y agoYour personal device is your personal space.
- phailhaus 8y agoTrue, but if your manager is taking screenshots of your screen as you work, then they are micromanaging you. They don't trust you. If my manager doesn't trust me, then I'm not feeling too good about my job. "Hey I see you're on Stack Overflow a lot, are you having trouble with the work we've given you?" Why do we think that nontechnical managers would be good judges of what productive behavior looks like? Everyone has their own style.
- solomatov 8y agoI know people who refused to accept otherwise decent job offers just because a company had that policy in the workplace. For software developers, designers and many other creative workers, work and life are intertwined. They can't, and often don't want to separate one from the other. People often might fix urgent problems at night, or work extra hours on a weekend from home. But in exchange people want to be able to use company computer to check personal email, read the news, etc, and they don't want that email be available to their boss. That's a creative professional bargain. If employer doesn't accept later he won't get the former. And the value of the former is much higher than the later. Yes, there're people who slack off, and they should be disciplined and fired if it doesn't help. But, if only people who you can hire are such slackers, may be there's something wrong with your hiring.
- newsat13 8y agoAre these revenue claims somehow verified? I know that indiehackers never verified them, is failory any different?
- 1123581321 8y agoI’m surprised this doesn’t mention their podcast. I don’t remember how I discovered it, but I really enjoyed the interviews with agency owners and along the way I learned about Hubstaff’s features. Eventually, they shut it down because the employee doing the show either was laid off or got another job.
- ianhawes 8y agoI lost all respect after Hubstaff launched their "Hubstaff Talent" board by copying jobs from Upwork and other freelancer boards. Discovered this when a post I had made on another platform was scraped and posted on Hubstaff Talent. The applicants never reached me. To make matters worse, Hubstaff themselves started posting their own job ads on the web. When people applied to work remote for Hubstaff, they were instead opted into Hubstaff Talent daily spam.
- nodesocket 8y agoI use and recommend Toggl[1]. It's really a nice fit for contractors. [1] https://toggl.com/ https://toggl.com/
- developerdanny 8y agoThe company I work for uses this software, only the CTO finds the overarching surveillance super duper creepy, and refused to subject us (the employees) to the screenshots. Hubstaff should not have included that as a feature, as many others have commented, it's too invasive. I am lucky to have a CTO that considers employees peace of mind and comfort on the job. The time tracking features are great, the surveillance, not so much.