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You can (and should) say the exact same thing about sugars as you did about fats. There is a healthy way to eat sugars, fats, and proteins. They are all import

You can (and should) say the exact same thing about sugars as you did about fats. There is a healthy way to eat sugars, fats, and proteins. They are all important and what it usually comes down to is the age old saying "all things in moderation."

toomuchtodo 8y ago
Fat and protein are healthier for you than sugar. Sugar should be your least consumed macro. All things in moderation is a cop out.
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- anoncoward111 8y ago
  If you think that fat and protein--- especially when paired with cholesterol + saturated fat--- are "healthier" than sugar found in grapes and apples... ... then I suppose you've already made up your mind. Please don't force it on the rest of us
  - toomuchtodo 8y ago
    It’s extremely healthy for you. There is nothing inherent in fruits that makes the sugar in them “healthier”, although you’re getting a bit of fiber. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet https://www.reddit.com/r/keto https://www.reddit.com/r/keto If you want to continue to consume unhealthy amounts of sugar, causing obesity, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease, that’s your choice, and no one is taking that freedom away. I’d ask that you keep an open mind for the benefit of your own health and longevity.
    - anoncoward111 8y ago
      >It's extremely healthy for you Tell that to everyone that tries keto, gets kidney stones, and hardens their arteries long-term.
  - geofft 8y ago
    I believe this weakly and without the "especially" clause at all, but I am not by any means set in this opinion. Can you talk me out of it? In particular I (weakly) believe that fruit juices are at best only marginally healthier than an equally sugary cola or sports drink. (And so, when I don't want water, I tend to go for low-sugar drinks like flavored seltzer.) Should I be drinking fruit juices instead?
    - anoncoward111 8y ago
      I wouldn't suggest drinking fruit juice instead of Coke. I would probably suggest avoiding both unless you are doing 2 hours of cardio every day. Personally, I do intermittent fasting. I typically eat a very big meal, one time per day, at the same time every day (for me, it's lunch). I have gone from 195lbs to 135lbs in 6 months, and maintained that weight. Additionally, I am convinced that this fixes insulin and leptin resistance, and also reduces inflammation in the body. Cardiovascular inflammation is pretty much guaranteed in all of us-- adding extra cholesterol into the system is a surefire way to build plaque and eventually die.
  - airstrike 8y ago
    Monounsaturated fat and proteins in general are healthier than sugar found in grapes or apples. As for making up one's mind, I suppose the same could be said about your comment.
  - tonmoy 8y ago
    FWIW, It has been recently found that cholesterol in food is not correlated with blood cholesterol. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/10/feds-poised-to-withdraw-longstanding-warnings-about-dietary-cholesterol/?utm_term=.0d1dd3ffd6f8 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/10/feds-...
    - emmanuel_1234 8y ago
      Better: it was never really found that cholesterol in food was correlated with blood cholesterol, it was just a belief. What we are finding today is that it was never really found that high blood cholesterol causes cardio vascular disease.
      - AstralStorm 8y ago
        Well, we do have some decent correlation in this case, but it seems lipids subgroups are more important and then you still need a trigger oxidative stress then thrombotic and immune response to create plaque which then has to grow fragile and finally may cause an infract. (Potentially a heart attack or ischemic stroke.) Note how fragile this chain is yet how metabolic syndrome (with unknown causation) hits all of the above. Note that we haven't shown how and how eating fatty foods (or perhaps just certain fats) changes lipid profile or oxidative stress. With exception of trans fats perhaps. This needs strong interventional studies with long follow-up. Hard to set up.
  - TheCoelacanth 8y ago
    The thing that makes fruits relatively healthy as a source of sugar is that the sugar is in a relatively low concentration that makes it harder to overindulge. If you concentrate the sugar from fruit you get fruit juice which is just as bad as soda but has healthier seeming marketing.
- Latty 8y ago
  Focusing on one "evil" is as much of a cop out. Sugar isn't the only way you can be overweight or unhealthy.
airstrike 8y ago
Yes, there is a healthy way to eat sugar: limit it to waaaay below what you think a low level is. Max ~30g per day from complex carbs is a good rule-of-thumb. That's what you'll get from eating a banana, one serving of 0% greek yogurt and a handful of carrots.
- m-watson 8y ago
  Nutrition is a field, from the science perspective, that does not work in absolutes. It is too complex of a field for us to really pin anything down for populations or individuals. That is why we as individuals have to find a way to tune it, ideally with expert input. That is why I take issue with statements like "objectively worse," which is really the only reason I commented in the first place. But I would like to see where you are getting 30g because everything I have seen (we'll include [1] link but my quick googling brought up comparable results) puts sugars, combined complex and simple, at ~40% to 65% of your daily diet. It is often quoted at about ~200g to 300g. Yes, people over-do their sugars, yes people think that eating all the fruit is healthy when in fact it is still a bunch of sugar, but in the end a body with moderate activity needs carbs to break down for quick energy. It would be inefficient for our bodies to go into fat stores or slow-burn protein every time we need energy. [1]https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/carbohydrates/art-20045705 https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-h...
  - airstrike 8y ago
    You’re mixing up sugar and carbs. It’s fine to eat 250g of carbs, though that seems high if you’re trying to be as far from obese as possible without being unhealthy. It’s not fine to eat 250g of sugar. You’ll likely get diabetes. Also not all carbs are made the same. Eating bread is not the same as eating sweet potato, as suprising as that may seem. Few carbs are good for you and you should make a concious decision about which ones to eat. Not to mention everything that usually gets added to carb-heavy food as those tend to be highly industrialized. Due to their convenience factor they’ve effectively replaced home-cooked carbs. But perhaps most importantly, carbs have been showed to be linked to Alzheimer’s Disease though this isn’t yet mainstream knowledge: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15082091/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15082091/ The cynical in me thinks “big food” must be trying really hard to hide this fact from society.
janitor61 8y ago
There's also a healthy way to eat arsenic - in moderation - about 12.5 μg/day
- AstralStorm 8y ago
  Sorry but even that amount will accumulate and cause serious kidney problems in late age. It is one of those things where we do not know any safe dose.

toomuchtodo 8y ago

Fat and protein are healthier for you than sugar. Sugar should be your least consumed macro. All things in moderation is a cop out.

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anoncoward111 8y ago
If you think that fat and protein--- especially when paired with cholesterol + saturated fat--- are "healthier" than sugar found in grapes and apples... ... then I suppose you've already made up your mind. Please don't force it on the rest of us
- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  It’s extremely healthy for you. There is nothing inherent in fruits that makes the sugar in them “healthier”, although you’re getting a bit of fiber. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet https://www.reddit.com/r/keto https://www.reddit.com/r/keto If you want to continue to consume unhealthy amounts of sugar, causing obesity, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease, that’s your choice, and no one is taking that freedom away. I’d ask that you keep an open mind for the benefit of your own health and longevity.
  - anoncoward111 8y ago
    >It's extremely healthy for you Tell that to everyone that tries keto, gets kidney stones, and hardens their arteries long-term.
- geofft 8y ago
  I believe this weakly and without the "especially" clause at all, but I am not by any means set in this opinion. Can you talk me out of it? In particular I (weakly) believe that fruit juices are at best only marginally healthier than an equally sugary cola or sports drink. (And so, when I don't want water, I tend to go for low-sugar drinks like flavored seltzer.) Should I be drinking fruit juices instead?
  - anoncoward111 8y ago
    I wouldn't suggest drinking fruit juice instead of Coke. I would probably suggest avoiding both unless you are doing 2 hours of cardio every day. Personally, I do intermittent fasting. I typically eat a very big meal, one time per day, at the same time every day (for me, it's lunch). I have gone from 195lbs to 135lbs in 6 months, and maintained that weight. Additionally, I am convinced that this fixes insulin and leptin resistance, and also reduces inflammation in the body. Cardiovascular inflammation is pretty much guaranteed in all of us-- adding extra cholesterol into the system is a surefire way to build plaque and eventually die.
- airstrike 8y ago
  Monounsaturated fat and proteins in general are healthier than sugar found in grapes or apples. As for making up one's mind, I suppose the same could be said about your comment.
- tonmoy 8y ago
  FWIW, It has been recently found that cholesterol in food is not correlated with blood cholesterol. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/10/feds-poised-to-withdraw-longstanding-warnings-about-dietary-cholesterol/?utm_term=.0d1dd3ffd6f8 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/10/feds-...
  - emmanuel_1234 8y ago
    Better: it was never really found that cholesterol in food was correlated with blood cholesterol, it was just a belief. What we are finding today is that it was never really found that high blood cholesterol causes cardio vascular disease.
    - AstralStorm 8y ago
      Well, we do have some decent correlation in this case, but it seems lipids subgroups are more important and then you still need a trigger oxidative stress then thrombotic and immune response to create plaque which then has to grow fragile and finally may cause an infract. (Potentially a heart attack or ischemic stroke.) Note how fragile this chain is yet how metabolic syndrome (with unknown causation) hits all of the above. Note that we haven't shown how and how eating fatty foods (or perhaps just certain fats) changes lipid profile or oxidative stress. With exception of trans fats perhaps. This needs strong interventional studies with long follow-up. Hard to set up.
- TheCoelacanth 8y ago
  The thing that makes fruits relatively healthy as a source of sugar is that the sugar is in a relatively low concentration that makes it harder to overindulge. If you concentrate the sugar from fruit you get fruit juice which is just as bad as soda but has healthier seeming marketing.
Latty 8y ago
Focusing on one "evil" is as much of a cop out. Sugar isn't the only way you can be overweight or unhealthy.

airstrike 8y ago

Yes, there is a healthy way to eat sugar: limit it to waaaay below what you think a low level is. Max ~30g per day from complex carbs is a good rule-of-thumb. That's what you'll get from eating a banana, one serving of 0% greek yogurt and a handful of carrots.

m-watson 8y ago
Nutrition is a field, from the science perspective, that does not work in absolutes. It is too complex of a field for us to really pin anything down for populations or individuals. That is why we as individuals have to find a way to tune it, ideally with expert input. That is why I take issue with statements like "objectively worse," which is really the only reason I commented in the first place. But I would like to see where you are getting 30g because everything I have seen (we'll include [1] link but my quick googling brought up comparable results) puts sugars, combined complex and simple, at ~40% to 65% of your daily diet. It is often quoted at about ~200g to 300g. Yes, people over-do their sugars, yes people think that eating all the fruit is healthy when in fact it is still a bunch of sugar, but in the end a body with moderate activity needs carbs to break down for quick energy. It would be inefficient for our bodies to go into fat stores or slow-burn protein every time we need energy. [1]https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/carbohydrates/art-20045705 https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-h...
- airstrike 8y ago
  You’re mixing up sugar and carbs. It’s fine to eat 250g of carbs, though that seems high if you’re trying to be as far from obese as possible without being unhealthy. It’s not fine to eat 250g of sugar. You’ll likely get diabetes. Also not all carbs are made the same. Eating bread is not the same as eating sweet potato, as suprising as that may seem. Few carbs are good for you and you should make a concious decision about which ones to eat. Not to mention everything that usually gets added to carb-heavy food as those tend to be highly industrialized. Due to their convenience factor they’ve effectively replaced home-cooked carbs. But perhaps most importantly, carbs have been showed to be linked to Alzheimer’s Disease though this isn’t yet mainstream knowledge: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15082091/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15082091/ The cynical in me thinks “big food” must be trying really hard to hide this fact from society.

janitor61 8y ago

There's also a healthy way to eat arsenic - in moderation - about 12.5 μg/day

AstralStorm 8y ago
Sorry but even that amount will accumulate and cause serious kidney problems in late age. It is one of those things where we do not know any safe dose.