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Windows 10 1803 Update Failure
- wcoenen 8y agoI also had that problem with my password not working after the 1803 update (until I rebooted). By using the password reveal button, I found out that windows was not letting me enter any digits. I tried both the numpad and the number row.
- maltalex 8y agoI wonder whether it's the same issue I had, but with both numbers AND letters. All I could enter were spaces until I rebooted.
- John_KZ 8y agoI literally stopped using windows because of windows 10. I'm lucky enough that I don't need it for anything work-related. In the rare occasions I do need something to run in win10, I run it on my old air-gapped laptop running a vanilla windows 7 installed from it's original DVD. I wouldn't trust windows on network-connected hardware. Not anymore.
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- gwbas1c 8y agoLike all good Windows developer, I do my work in a VM on a Mac!
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- gerardnll 8y agoI may be the only one with zero problems on Windows 10... Sometimes I think the adjectives to describe some situations are too harsh.
- maltalex 8y ago> Sometimes I think the adjectives to describe some situations are too harsh. might be related to this: > I may be the only one with zero problems on Windows 10... Try spending hours (if not days) trying to bring your computer back to life, going through every google result for a helpful string like "0x80070422". Seriously, just try looking at the autocomplete for "Windows 10 update 0x". I know it's insanely difficult to do what Microsoft does, and the fact that Windows even works at all on so many different computers is nothing short of a miracle. But after a few experiences with odd Windows errors on a machine that worked fine just a minute ago can make you use some strong adjectives.
- gerardnll 8y agoI've had some problems a few years ago but now, I just see improvements, to the point of not having issues nowadays. Since Windows 7 the situation has much improved. Windows 8 was great for me too. I got to say, I don't install bullshit, I know which webpages I visit, I have an antivirus, good quality hardware and I have installed the just amount of software I need. It's been a few years now since the last format. I just try to keep it clean and ordered, like any other thing.
- sddfd 8y agoAlso having no problems.
- nanodeath 8y agoEh, I had a similar problem. I'm low on disk space on C:, but it was able to download the update to C: + E: (E: is a partition on the same drive). Partway through installing the update, it asks me to "insert" disk E, which obviously I can't. Had to roll back the whole update. Now I'm kinda glad I did.
- sakopov 8y agoI, too, rarely have major issues with Windows. However, I did come across the login issue in the article, which was fixed with a restart. When people shit all over WinOS I'd like to instead give Microsoft credit for creating an OS that works as good as it does on virtually endless amounts of hardware configurations.
- nickjj 8y agoI thought 17.09 allowed you to defer feature updates for 1 year. It's an advanced setting under the update manager. No fiddling around needed. Is that not available on Home editions?
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- icegreentea2 8y agoDoesnt look like it is (I'm on W10 Home 1709). I managed to defer my update to 1709 by like... 5 months by hitting 'later' on the nag screen though.
- x0054 8y agoNot in Home addition. You can set your internet connection to metered and that will only give you critical security updates, if you are lucky. But MS can choose to ignore that setting any time they want to.
- sddfd 8y agoI'm running two machines (a recent laptop and an older desktop with Windows 10). I've wiped both drives and did a fresh install of a recent Windows 10 vom USB Stick. I haven't had any problems updating and even big updates are fast. This is in contrast to a Dell laptop I got for work and which regularily took 45min to update. If you have problems with your Windows 10, get rid of the crapware that came with your PC and/or do a fresh install from a clean image from MS (not one of the OEM rescue partitions/disks). I with MS would do something about all the preinstalled crapware, because it has gotten out of hand and is hurting the brand.
- curiousgal 8y agoWhat about the activation? Would Windows recognize the device automatically and not ask for a key?
- bhhaskin 8y agoKeys are stored in the firmware on the motherboard. Shouldn't be an issue.
- sddfd 8y agoYes, it did on the desktop. I did buy a professional licence for the laptop though (it came with home).
- ocdtrekkie 8y ago8.1 and newer devices have the key in firmware, and PCs upgraded from older versions of Windows are recognized automatically by the activation servers. So in most cases if a PC has ever had Windows 10 on it before, you can just install without a product key and it will activate itself.
- x0054 8y agoBest I can tell the Dell image for XPS 9550 is just Windows 10 with minimal drivers. I think I'll try the fresh Microsoft Windows route, but I want to mirror the drive first, because I don't want to install windows all over again and set up all my apps if it doesn't work. What's a good alternative to something like Carbon Copy Cloner for Windows? I used to use Ghost, but that was a decade ago.
- pxeboot 8y agoWindows Update is in need of a massive overhaul, but these 'feature updates' are actually an entire new OS that gets installed. While it normally works great, when it doesn't, it's very difficult to fix in most cases, as seen here.
- thanksgiving 8y agoThere is one weird trick to solve at least 20% of the angst again Windows update. > It forces them on you, sometimes in the most inopportune time. Let users reboot when they want. I don't care if you show a bright red bar warning people to restart but goodness gracious don't reboot computers without positive consent! Yes, there are more difficult problems like reducing the number of things that require a reboot to update (without sacrificing backward compatibility) but not rebooting the computer without consent is such an easy thing to do. Just be upfront and tell people to leave their computer connected to a power source and ask them to press a button when they're ready.
- cjcampbell 8y agoAgreed 100%. Always prompt before rebooting a logged in user or updating a freshly started machine. It boggles my mind that Microsoft can’t figure out how to use better UX to solve their update problem. Start with notifications and offering to schedule an update. Don’t reboot automatically with an active user when the scheduled time rolls around. Display a prompt and allow the user options to schedule another reminder. After a couple weeks (security updates only) add a “warning bar” along the top or side of the screen. Nothing drastic. Just visible enough to be a constant reminder to update. Eventually, replace the desktop background with a visible warning.
- jimnotgym 8y agoMaybe because they are focused on enterprise users, who get forced silent updates from their admin? Maybe the UX for home users is an afterthought?
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- cl0ckt0wer 8y agoIt sounds like this user should spring for the USD$7/month LTSB Windows: https://www.howtogeek.com/273824/windows-10-without-the-cruft-windows-10-ltsb-explained/ https://www.howtogeek.com/273824/windows-10-without-the-cruf...
- m-p-3 8y agoI wish LTSC was a version normal, licensed users could get access to... I normally go with LTS versions when using Ubuntu, and ESR for Firefox. Being able to use that kind of version for Windows 10 right away would be great.
- x0054 8y agoThat would be perfect! But I am not paying MS $7 a month so they can remove features. I like my kill updates solution for now. This really should be a default on business products like Dell 9550.
- AlexeyBrin 8y agoIf you change the Network to Metered Connection it will only give you updates for Windows Defender and Security Updates. Doesn't seem to do any download by itself. Also, if you are a developer LTSB edition is a non starter. You can't install Visual Studio 2017 on it :).
- sanlyx 8y agoLTSB user here: I had zero trouble installing VS and other software on it. Relating to the article, it was the most painful install I've ever had to deal with, precisely because of Windows Update
- AlexeyBrin 8y ago(I hope you are not talking about Visual Studio Code which is a an entirely different product.) I've tried Visual Studio 2017 Community Edition on Windows 10 LTSB a few months ago and it never worked. Good to hear it worked for you.
- robocat 8y agoWindows 10 puts Microsoft's needs ahead of the users. There is no easy way to avoid updates interrupting your work, always when you need to use your PC for an urgent work issue. The home screen adverts, and preinstalled junkware are insulting. It is impossible to interact with the OS for more than a few minutes without finding another bug you have never seen before. On Friday I was using a test laptop. The start menu stopped working, so I do a restart, but Windows decides to do an update (ignoring the configured "don't update between 8am and 6pm" setting). I can't believe they don't have a professional version with a yearly subscription. I want my tools to work, not interrupt me, or fail randomly.
- booleandilemma 8y agoWe use an enterprise version of Windows at work and I had to remove pre-installed candy crush and twitter apps from it :)
- jimnotgym 8y agoBut you could have removed them from the whole domain using AD... As much as I hate to admit it, AD is the killer feature that keeps MS king of the enterprise
- Someone1234 8y agoYou sys-prepped a copy of Windows 10 enterprise to install them via AppX provisioning and then uninstalled them after the fact? Why..? I read this complaint a lot, and while valid for "Pro," it is a little odd for Enterprise since at that scale you are likely provisioning your app store apps anyway. This sounds a little harsh, but the most likely cause of this issue is your SysAdmin not knowing how to manage Windows. If you don't provision the image at all, you'll wind up with a copy of Pro with a few more enterprise features. If you want to slim it down, you'll need to do so.
- redial 8y ago> If you don't provision the image at all, you'll wind up with a copy of Pro with a few more enterprise features. If you want to slim it down, you'll need to do so. Isn't that the complain? A serious enterprise version (and Pro version for that matter) should never include candy crush or ads in the first place. And it should not require every sysadmin in the world to disable them.
- maltalex 8y agoI've had a lot of issues with Windows update myself but the author's solution of "Murdering Windows Update" is not my cup of tea. I like my software patched. So while I don't have a good solution for Windows Update issues, re-installs are a LOT less painful with choco[0]. I have one choco script for my home machine, one for work, one for the wife, and one for the parents. It makes things so much easier! Edit: I am not affiliated with Choco in any way [0]: https://chocolatey.org/ https://chocolatey.org/
- amanzi 8y agoI gave up on chocolatey after constant issues with permissions and never being sure which package to install for a particular app. Not sure if it has improved recently but it seemed like every app had multiple packages to choose from, and some features were only available in a paid plan.
- beart 8y agoTry scoop.sh I've had much better luck with it than Choco.
- Zardoz84 8y agoI actually try to avoid to boot on Windows 10 on my dual boot computer (kubuntu 18.04 + windows 10) because the fucking updates of windows. I got stuck with falling updates like 5 months . Every time that windows try to update, I lose like 2 hours. And only to see Windows failing to update and reverting it. And another issue is that Windows really hits hard my hard disk along like half hour, every time that I boots on Windows. I don't understand why does it. It's a shot experience, specially compar d against my Linux experience on the same computer, where everything just works out of the box, and I don't need to lost like half hour seeing how my hard drive is being smashed by the OS. So this article really it's helpful for me.
- maltalex 8y ago> against my Linux experience on the same computer, where everything just works out of the box What machine do you use?
- Zardoz84 8y agoFX8370E + MSI motherboard + 16 GiB DDR3 + AMD RX580 + two hard disks. UEFI dual boot with grub. Even the HDMI sound is working fine (on 17.XX was necessary to update the linux kernel, but on 18.04 works out of the box), and I can output sound at same time on the HDMI and the sound card (Windows can't do this!) PD: And I have Kubuntu and Debian working without issues (and faster!) on other machines with other GPUs/CPUs from Nvidia and Intel.
- jimnotgym 8y agoReinstall Windows 10 from a USB stick (MS provide a tool to create them). You will jump straight to the latest build with no updates at all. However I will agree, I dual boot Windows 10 and Ubuntu anad I know I will have to suffer updates if I boot Windows. On the other hand I am not too happy with Ubuntu's updates right now...
- Zardoz84 8y agoI control when I update my Kubuntu installation. And GNU/Linux updates are far less intrusive that Windows updates. Not enforces you to reboot the machine to apply it, and you can work at same time that you updates. PD: This kind of fix, remember me to the times of Windows 95/98 when a full reinstall of Windows every few months was a good practice to keep the computer working nice. I don't have to do this on a Windows 7/8 or on a GNU/Linux. Why I need to do to this on Windows 10 ?
- epx 8y agoWindows must die.
- nwrk 8y ago2018 and MS is still heavy. Running Antergos (Arch Linux flavour) with ZFS and not looking back. Rolling updates, speedy. Everything just works. Luckily forgot about the long hours spend on reinstalling and reinstalling Windows back then. *Is there any form of compensation from MS for fixing computer after broken update ? Productivity ? Go for Mac or Linux
- tomxor 8y agoFrankly they are both super heavy these days, I'd pick mac over windows given the choice but i'd pick linux or a BSD over either of them for the lightweight factor and actually having control of my computer in the most basic way.
- merinowool 8y agoMicrosoft has become very hostile. Recently I have upgraded my PC and that tripped the activation. For some reason I was unable to reactivate (I own full retail licence btw), after wasting time on Google I tried Microsoft support. For a couple of days and a number of consultants trying to force me to give them full access to my machine, asking to upload invoices for the new parts, treating me basically like a thief, they eventually generated me new license key. Now I am scared to upgrade anything in my PC again and then there is that update coming. How on earth it is possible to treat customers like this in 2018? Sadly I use some software that only works on Windows so I have no option, but now I have separate PC only to have those apps and on all other machines I installed Linux. Fuck you Microsoft!
- iMerNibor 8y agoTry the phone based activation next time, it's usually a lot more forgiving for activations + they have a free number in most countries
- dabockster 8y agoOr just buy a gray market key for $10-15 so it's not a big wallet hit if it gets deactivated. Like always, piracy is an access problem. And I need to be able to access my computer's functions without MS locking me out because I decided to overclock my thermal paste.
- crispinb 8y agoWhat I want for Xmas is an OS usable for laptops. Windows? Dealt with by comments here. Mac? Only runs on a limited range of crippled hardware. Linux? Life's too short. 2018 is sad, with no light on the visible horizon.
- vbezhenar 8y agoI've found that I avoided most of issues other people often encountering by reinstalling OS every few monthes. Usually after big updates. Might not work for everybody, I just like to configure OS from clean state. Works for anything from macOS to Linux.
- jimnotgym 8y agoI suppose it is worth saying that this is not the same for enterprises as it is for single users. If you run a domain you can completely control your updates from WSUS (or a myriad of third party options). You can test the updates on a subset of users before letting them loose on your whole domain. MS are supporting a much wider range of hardware than Apple have to, and there will always be surprises. I can only think of two major update issues on my domain. 1) Conflict with a driver for an extremely specialized printer 2) A weird update about 4 years ago for W7 which seemed to forget to close the 'Windows is updating' screen. ctrl-al-del resumed normal service! I believe some of the clunkier updates for Windows 10 (like the forced reboot) are actually part of a patch to improve the silent update feature! Install afresh from a USB as sddfd suggested and you wont have to suffer that patch.
- 0x0 8y agoBy the way, I've had those top menus that open to left happen when windows installs a touch/ink/stylus input device. There's a control panel setting somewhere for input devices like these, where there's a checkbox (that sometimes magically self-re-enables) for making menus appear to left for the purpose of accomodating on-screen hand-writing for right-handed writers. It's a bit weird that it ends up affecting the menus even when you stricly use a mouse to open them.
- x0054 8y agoThank you! That was driving me crazy. It's in the "Other" tab of the "Tablet PC Settings" in Control Panel. One problem solved :)
- LeoPanthera 8y agoThe author openly admits to jailbreaking their iPhone. These kinds of users tend to install many types of "tweaks" on their computers, and I would bet that this is the cause of the update failure.
- exrook 8y agoThe author also admits to downloading a fresh restore image from Dell, which I would assume would create a fresh install of Windows without any "tweaks," and then still experiencing the same issue.
- x0054 8y agoYou would bet and loose. I did do a clean install from a Dell recovery USB image, that's part 2 of the article. Also, I don't "openly admit" to jailbreaking my iPhone. I nonchalantly mention this :)
- sengork 8y agoOne of my desktops keeps failing to update Windows 10 for 2 years now, the recent v1803 doesn't fix it either. Too ineffective to do a fresh install and just about tried everything out there to fix it. Complete waste of time. On the other hand the desktop which always worked flawlessly now cannot even get past the initial installation boot screen from a freshly made v1803 DVD/USB (within 5sec of booting) likewise the update from inside Windows itself fails. Waiting to see if MS address this issue before I waste any more time trying to fix it myself.
- mnm1 8y agoHumorously written, but the situation is no different on OS X these days. I could not update to high Sierra and the new filesystem and after trying, it required a complete os x install which takes about six hours after starting using time machine. The only thing that's better on os x is that Apple finally seems to have stopped trying to push high Sierra on users, after even aggressively downloading it without permission. It's really rather depressing that the state of desktop operating system is thus. That includes all desktop Linux distros I've tried also unless one gets a lucky combination of hardware (aka Linux distros run like shit on Apple hardware if they even run at all).
- Jerry2 8y agoMy dad, who still uses Windows, sent me this pic of his Windows upgrade trials and tribulations: https://i.imgur.com/MwWenDA.png https://i.imgur.com/MwWenDA.png He still hasn't been able to upgrade. I live hundreds of miles away and can't attempt to help him troubleshoot it in person.
- imtringued 8y agoWindows Updates are simply broken. If you're using windows then there is no way around reinstalling windows regularly. I've had update issues on vista, 7 and 10. I could fix some of them on vista but the time investment has always been higher than simply reinstalling windows.
- wornohaulus 8y agoGot my 1803 update installed on a 4.x years old Lenovo g50-45 AMD, low powered machine in an hour.. no issues at all.. machine restarted few times during the installation.. and it was done..
- ThatHNGuy 8y agoI've update my VirtualBox VM from Windows 7 to Win10 1703 then 1709 and 1803 without any problem, don't understand where the problem is.
- locusm 8y agoWindows 1803 is causing a lot of havoc for Google Drive users. It has hosed a lot of working configurations.