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When visiting a university in China, I saw a prominently displayed list of students who were caught cheating in the most recent term. I haven't yet seen such li
by basementcat 9y ago
When visiting a university in China, I saw a prominently displayed list of students who were caught cheating in the most recent term. I haven't yet seen such lists in American universities.
- cirgue 9y agoThat’s because American universities don’t put your name on a list when you cheat. They expel you.
- your-nanny 9y agoActually, not usually for first offenses (from my experience as college instructor)
- BookmarkSaver 9y agoBut usually only for first offenses (which in my experience still automatically fail that class).
- your-nanny 9y agoCould you explain? Policies and experiences will differ
- BookmarkSaver 9y agoI mean that there is usually very limited tolerance for repeat cheating, in the small amount of experience I have. You might not get expelled at first offense (unless you are leading a cheating ring of some sort, something that happened at my high school) or it involves publishing research, but a second or third generally does result in expulsion. This is assuming that the school actually reached an incriminating verdict, ignoring possible incompetence and/or apathy towards catching and "convicting" cheaters.
- Dylan16807 9y agoThey expel you or they sweep it under the rug and do nothing at all.
- cmplxconjugate 9y agoMy partner is finishing their masters in China currently (native Chinese). The levels of cheating that go on within her course alone are mind boggling: 1. Girls asking their would-be boyfriends to complete their essays and attend modules. 2. Purchasing completed essays from Taobao. 3. Copy pasting others work from Baidu with only name alterations. 4. Paying exam setters for exam questions. Of course this is anecdotal but she has often tried to explain the culture of "Getting. good result is more important than how you got it". Cheating and succeeding shows you're resourceful. Getting caught is the only shame. The pressure and competition drives people to cheat because if you don't, you're left behind by everyone else who is.
- basementcat 9y agoI've observed all of these in the USA. I suspect this sort of thing transcends cultural and international borders. Possibly amusing anecdote: I know a smart* technical colleague who wrote at least 2 PhD dissertations for former romantic partners. As in "best dissertation award" + famous people on committee + etc , etc. The former romantic partners went on to have distinguished careers in management. * Depending on your point of view.
- redorb 9y agoThe level of patent / trademark infringement disagrees a bit with your statement.
- camelCaseOfBeer 9y agoManagement huh? Sounds like they were training to take credit for others work all along.
- learc83 9y ago>I know a smart* technical colleague who wrote at least 2 PhD dissertations for former romantic partners This is very hard to believe. From my experience this just couldn't work without near full time commitment by the ghost writer. The cheater would also have to be very familiar with the dissertation--to the point where they could have just written it themselves. Pulling this off twice (or more since you said at least twice) is basically beyond belief (unless we're talking about a very disreputable university). A PhD dissertation isn't something you can just turn in and you're done. And it's generally the result of years of work.
- joker3 9y agoThat would likely be a major FERPA violation.
- dbasedweeb 9y agoIn the US what happens if someone on that list kills themselves? Lawsuit from hell probably, at the very least.
- PhasmaFelis 9y agoYou'd have a very hard time making that lawsuit go anywhere, I think.