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Author of the paper being discussed here. I'd love to study what students actually learn too! As we note in the paper, the analytical approach is a limited, ind
by andyjko 8y ago
Author of the paper being discussed here. I'd love to study what students actually learn too! As we note in the paper, the analytical approach is a limited, indirect proxy.
Unfortunately, as others have noted, doing this is intractably hard. We've reached out to dozens of coding tutorial companies, but none want to share their visitors' contact information (understandably). We've tried contacting students on our campus and others to find people who've used tutorials, but few have. If you have ideas about how to contact tutorial users, please share!
The even harder problem is measuring learning. There are essentially no reliable, valid measures of any knowledge of programming (exams in courses are mostly unreliable, invalid measures). It's something we're working on in my lab, but it will take years, as it has in math and physics education.
Andy Ko
Associate Professor
University of Washington
http://faculty.washington.edu/ajko http://faculty.washington.edu/ajko
- startupdiscuss 8y agoI love that the author of the paper responded to this. Thank you HN, and Andy. I suspected it was hard or else, I assume, you would have done it. But I thought it was hard because getting everyone to take a standardized test before and after the courses would be hard, not because even the contact information was not available! Also, what do you mean exams are unreliable? Is there something you can point me to. I did not know that was the case.