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Hmm, not a fan of this idea. Feels like it's encouraging vigilantism and 'taking the law into your own hands', which is not something a well run society should

by CM30 9y ago

Hmm, not a fan of this idea. Feels like it's encouraging vigilantism and 'taking the law into your own hands', which is not something a well run society should be incentivising. I mean, it seems like someone who hacked another person or organisation's systems to remove private data could end up wrecking a bunch of other things, which wouldn't be good for anyone. And then what if its a case of mistaken identity? You don't really have proof the data you're trying to erase is on the other party's system until you break into it, which could then leave the other party extremely annoyed and wanting to do the same back... Eh, just feels like companies and individuals wanting to become internet vigilantes if you ask me.

7454346 9y ago
> Hmm, not a fan of this idea. Feels like it's encouraging vigilantism and 'taking the law into your own hands', which is not something a well run society should be incentivising. I think you've figured out the point here. This is not a well run society. Let's fix it.
Andre_Wanglin 9y ago
>Feels like it's encouraging vigilantism and 'taking the law into your own hands', which is not something a well run society should be incentivising. No, citizens acting on their own and society's behalf should always be incentivized versus infantilizing everyone into helplessness and dependence. A home intruder being summarily despatched by an armed homeowner, for example, is a far superior outcome than the homeowner suffering whatever the intruder subjects him to while hoping the "authorities" intervene on his behalf. Not to mention the improbability of any true justice being delivered via the legal system.
- philipps 9y ago
  I agree that the police and justice system in the US feels slow, ineffective, and biased, but I think that trying to fix it so that everyone can depend on it is the opposite of helplessness.
  - LoSboccacc 9y ago
    > trying to fix it there's no amount of police budget that could save a person from an home intrusion. however there's some worth in doing prevention trough welfare and mental health programs.
- CM30 9y ago
  Nothing wrong with self defence, but there's a difference between fighting against/potentially killing an intruder who was going to hurt you/did hurt you and hunting them down once they'd stolen the goods and blasting their head in with a shotgun. Hacking back feels less like the former and more like the latter (ala vigilante lynch mob going after someone who'd done wrong in the past).
  - gm-conspiracy 9y ago
    Also, what is the context of the hacking? Copying of intellectual property, or hijacking CPU/GPU cycles for crypto mining?
amelius 9y ago
Companies could just pay a government organization to do the hacking for them, in a legitimate way. In fact, it's a bit strange that law enforcement doesn't work that way. If my car is stolen, the police takes little to no action; but what if I could pay them to give the case more priority?
- gm-conspiracy 9y ago
  Please see OCP from the original movie Robocop. So, if somebody "stole" your identity, and was able to drain your bank account and credit card, would you no longer be able to report that your car is stolen, since you lack the funds to do so? Or, do you ask your family and friends to borrow money, so you can file a police report?

by CM30 9y ago

7454346 9y ago

> Hmm, not a fan of this idea. Feels like it's encouraging vigilantism and 'taking the law into your own hands', which is not something a well run society should be incentivising. I think you've figured out the point here. This is not a well run society. Let's fix it.

Andre_Wanglin 9y ago

>Feels like it's encouraging vigilantism and 'taking the law into your own hands', which is not something a well run society should be incentivising. No, citizens acting on their own and society's behalf should always be incentivized versus infantilizing everyone into helplessness and dependence. A home intruder being summarily despatched by an armed homeowner, for example, is a far superior outcome than the homeowner suffering whatever the intruder subjects him to while hoping the "authorities" intervene on his behalf. Not to mention the improbability of any true justice being delivered via the legal system.

philipps 9y ago
I agree that the police and justice system in the US feels slow, ineffective, and biased, but I think that trying to fix it so that everyone can depend on it is the opposite of helplessness.
- LoSboccacc 9y ago
  > trying to fix it there's no amount of police budget that could save a person from an home intrusion. however there's some worth in doing prevention trough welfare and mental health programs.
CM30 9y ago
Nothing wrong with self defence, but there's a difference between fighting against/potentially killing an intruder who was going to hurt you/did hurt you and hunting them down once they'd stolen the goods and blasting their head in with a shotgun. Hacking back feels less like the former and more like the latter (ala vigilante lynch mob going after someone who'd done wrong in the past).
- gm-conspiracy 9y ago
  Also, what is the context of the hacking? Copying of intellectual property, or hijacking CPU/GPU cycles for crypto mining?

amelius 9y ago

Companies could just pay a government organization to do the hacking for them, in a legitimate way. In fact, it's a bit strange that law enforcement doesn't work that way. If my car is stolen, the police takes little to no action; but what if I could pay them to give the case more priority?

gm-conspiracy 9y ago
Please see OCP from the original movie Robocop. So, if somebody "stole" your identity, and was able to drain your bank account and credit card, would you no longer be able to report that your car is stolen, since you lack the funds to do so? Or, do you ask your family and friends to borrow money, so you can file a police report?