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Somewhat relevant: A friend took my phone (playfully) and posted this as a status on my profile a while ago. I left it up because I found it funny. Now that it'

Somewhat relevant: A friend took my phone (playfully) and posted this as a status on my profile a while ago. I left it up because I found it funny. Now that it's easier to delete I may actually just do that.

craftyguy 8y ago
"Delete"
- bigiain 8y ago
  He says: " … you'll be able to clear this information from your account. You'll even be able to turn off having this information stored with your account." "your account". What do you reckon is the chance of them removing this from their ad targeting data set "account"??? They're just going to give you a tool that shows some of it to you, then hides it from you when you click the [fuck me over more] button (and they'll record _that_ interaction too, and sell you to the "tinfoil" and "headwear" segments.
  - mr_spothawk 8y ago
    > What do you reckon is the chance of them removing this from their ad targeting data set "account"??? is there a chance smaller than zero?
    - jmspring 8y ago
      Sadly there is no way to issue an FOIA request to a private company. Possibly only route would be, clear data, notice contain tracking, due for disclosure. Probably the best route for moving forward.
      - bigiain 8y ago
        I wonder if the GDPR will have sharp enough teeth to force FB to disclose what it's doing with EU citizen's data here?
        zaarn 8y ago
        Unless FB seizes to have offices in the EU and stops having an HQ in the EU and also stops doing monitoring of people in the EU and also stops any regular service for people in the EU, the GDPR has teeth and people in the EU can ask facebook to send them all data they have, then ask them to delete it and revoke any future permission to process their data. Since the GDPR covers people in the EU that means if you're in the US you can take a vacation to Italy or France or Germany and then pull that stunt on Facebook. (technically)
jacquesm 8y ago
You mean soft delete. I'll eat a sock if FB really deletes all of your history. Another one if they make that the default and you only get the other treatment after opting in.
- cortesoft 8y ago
  I mean, I am sure they will delete one of the copies of your data they have. I am sure they aren't purging backups of the data.
  - fredoliveira 8y ago
    Actually, to comply with GDPR, they have to (for people affected by GDPR).
    - cdjk 8y ago
      Or have a documented retention policy for backups and a procedure to redelete data when those backups are restored.
    - Geee 8y ago
      Not true. You have the right to retain backups and logs etc. as long as they serve their purpose to secure your service for accidental loss of data or other security purposes and they are properly stored and secured. What if hacker deletes your Facebook account? Under GDPR Facebook has actually obligation to keep your data safe from this scenario. Which means they have to keep logs to investigate what happened and also be able to restore your data. You should delete backups after certain amount of time and state your policy to users.
      - krageon 8y ago
        The backups that you can retain are hard to justify further back than about a year (if you even manage to do that), and if you ever use them you have to make sure the data that was deleted because of a request before is not in there again.

craftyguy 8y ago

"Delete"

bigiain 8y ago
He says: " … you'll be able to clear this information from your account. You'll even be able to turn off having this information stored with your account." "your account". What do you reckon is the chance of them removing this from their ad targeting data set "account"??? They're just going to give you a tool that shows some of it to you, then hides it from you when you click the [fuck me over more] button (and they'll record _that_ interaction too, and sell you to the "tinfoil" and "headwear" segments.
- mr_spothawk 8y ago
  > What do you reckon is the chance of them removing this from their ad targeting data set "account"??? is there a chance smaller than zero?
  - jmspring 8y ago
    Sadly there is no way to issue an FOIA request to a private company. Possibly only route would be, clear data, notice contain tracking, due for disclosure. Probably the best route for moving forward.
    - bigiain 8y ago
      I wonder if the GDPR will have sharp enough teeth to force FB to disclose what it's doing with EU citizen's data here?
      - zaarn 8y ago
        Unless FB seizes to have offices in the EU and stops having an HQ in the EU and also stops doing monitoring of people in the EU and also stops any regular service for people in the EU, the GDPR has teeth and people in the EU can ask facebook to send them all data they have, then ask them to delete it and revoke any future permission to process their data. Since the GDPR covers people in the EU that means if you're in the US you can take a vacation to Italy or France or Germany and then pull that stunt on Facebook. (technically)

jacquesm 8y ago

You mean soft delete. I'll eat a sock if FB really deletes all of your history. Another one if they make that the default and you only get the other treatment after opting in.

cortesoft 8y ago
I mean, I am sure they will delete one of the copies of your data they have. I am sure they aren't purging backups of the data.
- fredoliveira 8y ago
  Actually, to comply with GDPR, they have to (for people affected by GDPR).
  - cdjk 8y ago
    Or have a documented retention policy for backups and a procedure to redelete data when those backups are restored.
  - Geee 8y ago
    Not true. You have the right to retain backups and logs etc. as long as they serve their purpose to secure your service for accidental loss of data or other security purposes and they are properly stored and secured. What if hacker deletes your Facebook account? Under GDPR Facebook has actually obligation to keep your data safe from this scenario. Which means they have to keep logs to investigate what happened and also be able to restore your data. You should delete backups after certain amount of time and state your policy to users.
    - krageon 8y ago
      The backups that you can retain are hard to justify further back than about a year (if you even manage to do that), and if you ever use them you have to make sure the data that was deleted because of a request before is not in there again.