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For the water challenge couldn't you just sail the 60th parallel south forever? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60th_parallel_south https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

For the water challenge couldn't you just sail the 60th parallel south forever? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60th_parallel_south https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60th_parallel_south Also could we challenge flat earthers to the same challenge and see who travels the furthest?

murbard2 8y ago
Straight line here is taken to mean geodesic, the shortest possible path on the surface between two points. Parallels on the sphere are not geodesics!
- logfromblammo 8y ago
  If we're going to split hairs, an actual straight line would be tangent to Earth at the point of the boat, and you could sail forever, so long as you do it at the speed of light and don't hit the land masses on some other celestial body. There is some definition of "straight line" that includes a course of a constant bearing, or a rhumb line. It's straight when plotted on a Mercator projection. By that definition, keeping to a true east or true west bearing would be a straight line.
  - andbberger 8y ago
    Meh, this is the worst kind of pedantry imo. Like, first of all, doesn't matter. But if you must, you're going to have to go with 'as would be defined by mathematicians' - because they spend a lot of time thinking about these things, and thus are by far the most qualified to have an opinion.... And the mathematicians have thought long and hard about how the Euclidean concept of a straight line generalizes to other geometries... and came up with geodesics... aka great circles...
    - logfromblammo 8y ago
      Why would mathematicians take precedence over people who navigate ships and airplanes for a living? Also, ellipsoidal geodesics aren't always circles. "Thinking long and hard" isn't actually much of a qualification, if you think about it long enough and hard enough. Playing around with the definition of "straight line" is just an amusement, putting different theoretical constraints on the recreational problem. The whole thing is pedantry to begin with, so don't be surprised when someone pops their head in with something unexpected just to show off how clever they think they are. Launching pointless academic arguments is almost the whole point. It shows the audience that everyone involved is very smart, and all possibilities have been duly considered, and therefore the agreed-upon answer must be very significant, reliable, and noteworthy.
      - murbard2 8y ago
        If you navigate a ship while keeping the rudder straight, absent current or wind you will be following a geodesic. If you try to follow a parallel you will have to constantly be turning. Planes follow geodesics too over oceans, not parallels. Yes the geodesic on an ellipsoids aren't always great circle, but the earth's geodesics are commonly referred to as "great circles" because the earth is very nearly spherical.
        logfromblammo 8y ago
        Should we ignore wind and current? If you are in a medium that has winds and currents, and you do not touch your yaw controls, how will you know if your course remains on a straight line? You either adjust your compass bearing (also correcting for magnetic variation), or you adjust course.
        andbberger 8y ago
        wat
haeffin 8y ago
That's not a straight line (it only looks like that on this map).
- pbhjpbhj 8y ago
  There are no actual straight lines. And we'd need a frame of reference in any case. The problem seems ill-defined.
  - pgwhalen 8y ago
    I think the problem is fairly well defined, the headline just doesn’t define it fully (with good reason).
Lxr 8y ago
You’d have to constantly turn your boat to the right to stay on course.

murbard2 8y ago

Straight line here is taken to mean geodesic, the shortest possible path on the surface between two points. Parallels on the sphere are not geodesics!

logfromblammo 8y ago
If we're going to split hairs, an actual straight line would be tangent to Earth at the point of the boat, and you could sail forever, so long as you do it at the speed of light and don't hit the land masses on some other celestial body. There is some definition of "straight line" that includes a course of a constant bearing, or a rhumb line. It's straight when plotted on a Mercator projection. By that definition, keeping to a true east or true west bearing would be a straight line.
- andbberger 8y ago
  Meh, this is the worst kind of pedantry imo. Like, first of all, doesn't matter. But if you must, you're going to have to go with 'as would be defined by mathematicians' - because they spend a lot of time thinking about these things, and thus are by far the most qualified to have an opinion.... And the mathematicians have thought long and hard about how the Euclidean concept of a straight line generalizes to other geometries... and came up with geodesics... aka great circles...
  - logfromblammo 8y ago
    Why would mathematicians take precedence over people who navigate ships and airplanes for a living? Also, ellipsoidal geodesics aren't always circles. "Thinking long and hard" isn't actually much of a qualification, if you think about it long enough and hard enough. Playing around with the definition of "straight line" is just an amusement, putting different theoretical constraints on the recreational problem. The whole thing is pedantry to begin with, so don't be surprised when someone pops their head in with something unexpected just to show off how clever they think they are. Launching pointless academic arguments is almost the whole point. It shows the audience that everyone involved is very smart, and all possibilities have been duly considered, and therefore the agreed-upon answer must be very significant, reliable, and noteworthy.
    - murbard2 8y ago
      If you navigate a ship while keeping the rudder straight, absent current or wind you will be following a geodesic. If you try to follow a parallel you will have to constantly be turning. Planes follow geodesics too over oceans, not parallels. Yes the geodesic on an ellipsoids aren't always great circle, but the earth's geodesics are commonly referred to as "great circles" because the earth is very nearly spherical.
      - logfromblammo 8y ago
        Should we ignore wind and current? If you are in a medium that has winds and currents, and you do not touch your yaw controls, how will you know if your course remains on a straight line? You either adjust your compass bearing (also correcting for magnetic variation), or you adjust course.
        andbberger 8y ago
        wat

haeffin 8y ago

That's not a straight line (it only looks like that on this map).

pbhjpbhj 8y ago
There are no actual straight lines. And we'd need a frame of reference in any case. The problem seems ill-defined.
- pgwhalen 8y ago
  I think the problem is fairly well defined, the headline just doesn’t define it fully (with good reason).

Lxr 8y ago

You’d have to constantly turn your boat to the right to stay on course.