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I don't follow. I was a contract consultant for over a decade; I didn't hide any work. I usually didn't work out of their office, but when I did use their reso

by _jal 9y ago

I don't follow. I was a contract consultant for over a decade; I didn't hide any work. I usually didn't work out of their office, but when I did use their resources my working assumption was that any artifact left behind was theirs, modulo any agreement to the contrary. Intermediate documents, experimental code, etc. weren't offered to customers, but I can't imagine what I'd want to hide. (Aside from my shame, given how a couple projects went.)

pbhjpbhj 9y ago
Sorry that was quite hard to parse - I mean, what would you expect to appear different to colleagues? The differences between employees and contractors may reside in the work they do, but doesn't need to, it's in the legal basis of their employment - which other workers can't see. Just like you can't see the wage another worker is getting, rat doesn't mean they're getting the wage you think they are. The way you know someone is a contractor is they leave after a few months, or they retired and still work there. You can't necessarily tell by their work output. If an employee and contractor are digging ditches the only difference is likely to be in the paperwork; though possibly the contractor uses their own PSE and tools, but not necessarily.
- kbutler 9y ago
  No, it is not just a matter of which set of papers the company and the individual signed. I expect, and the government expects, that if someone works like an employee they are an employee (and have employee rights and payroll withholding, etc.) Different agencies have different criteria, but the IRS considers several factors: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/independent-contractor-or-employee-government-decision-29681.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/independent-contract... The agency [IRS] is more likely to classify as an independent contractor a worker who: can earn a profit or suffer a loss from the activity furnishes the tools and materials needed to do the work is paid by the job works for more than one company at a time invests in equipment and facilities pays his or her own business and traveling expenses hires and pays assistants, and sets his or her own working hours. On the other hand, the IRS is more likely to classify as an employee a worker who: can be fired at any time is paid by the hour receives instructions from the company receives training from the company works full time for the company receives employee benefits has the right to quit without incurring liability, and provides services that are an integral part of the company’s day-to-day operations.

by _jal 9y ago

pbhjpbhj 9y ago

Sorry that was quite hard to parse - I mean, what would you expect to appear different to colleagues? The differences between employees and contractors may reside in the work they do, but doesn't need to, it's in the legal basis of their employment - which other workers can't see. Just like you can't see the wage another worker is getting, rat doesn't mean they're getting the wage you think they are. The way you know someone is a contractor is they leave after a few months, or they retired and still work there. You can't necessarily tell by their work output. If an employee and contractor are digging ditches the only difference is likely to be in the paperwork; though possibly the contractor uses their own PSE and tools, but not necessarily.

kbutler 9y ago
No, it is not just a matter of which set of papers the company and the individual signed. I expect, and the government expects, that if someone works like an employee they are an employee (and have employee rights and payroll withholding, etc.) Different agencies have different criteria, but the IRS considers several factors: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/independent-contractor-or-employee-government-decision-29681.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/independent-contract... The agency [IRS] is more likely to classify as an independent contractor a worker who: can earn a profit or suffer a loss from the activity furnishes the tools and materials needed to do the work is paid by the job works for more than one company at a time invests in equipment and facilities pays his or her own business and traveling expenses hires and pays assistants, and sets his or her own working hours. On the other hand, the IRS is more likely to classify as an employee a worker who: can be fired at any time is paid by the hour receives instructions from the company receives training from the company works full time for the company receives employee benefits has the right to quit without incurring liability, and provides services that are an integral part of the company’s day-to-day operations.