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My anecdotal evidence has been the opposite. My daughter has always been an Apple user and she has had so many more issues with her phone. Either she never upgr

My anecdotal evidence has been the opposite. My daughter has always been an Apple user and she has had so many more issues with her phone. Either she never upgraded her phone due to storage limitations because she refused to uninstall certain apps. He screen twice has twice peeled off. The battery expanded and now it glitches every hour but she is stuck because there is NO HEAD PHONE JACK. So she keeps saying do I buy a new phone but I want a head phone jack. My parents both ditched their iPhones before the plus came out due to size and eye sight. They haven't gone back to an iPhone plus. Video Conference: Best in class I would say is Google Duo. It is dead simple and works across all devices. Apple's weakness: Siri. Now as an adult I don't use voice commands much but both my two youngest 11 and 7 and their friends use voice commands all day long (On my computer and Google Home). I see this being a big issue if they don't fix this in about 3 or 4 years. We see a big upswing in voice commands and Google's recognition has a 95% recognition rate is about on par with humans ability to carry a conversation. http://www.kpcb.com/internet-trends http://www.kpcb.com/internet-trends

matwood 8y ago
Siri is definitely Apples biggest weakness, but the headphone jack? The phone comes with a little adapter. If you're a person who has tons of nice headphones laying around, but a couple more adapters and call it a day. Is it a bit of inconvenience at first? Sure, but don't act like there is no way to plug in headphones or that it's the end of the world. And Duo? I'm a tech person and I can't keep all of the Google communication options straight. iMessage and FaceTime are dead simple and work. Finally, if your daughter is having that many issues take it into an Apple store. I know there are anecdotes of bad service at Apple stores, but by and large the service they provide is great.
- tjoff 8y ago
  Royally disagree with the headphone jack. That is a huge issue that I don't ever see an end to. You never know when you need a headphone jack and there is no realistic way to carry an adapter all the time. And that is even if I'm willing to buy $100 worth of worthless adapters and do my best to sprinkle them out in my life. Friends car? Stereo in the summer vacation house? Buying bluetooth headphones doesn't mitigate this in any sense.
  - matte_black 8y ago
    Many stereos and cars should accept Bluetooth connections by now, so I’m not sure what the problem is.
    - tjoff 8y ago
      1. Many more don't. Home stereos typically don't. Regular radios typically don't. 2. Bluetooth is pure crap, the UX for connecting and managing temporary devices is absolutely insane on all devices. This is something you do on your own car but is a major hassle to setup for temporary occasions. And hardly something that is done on a whim just to demo something. It is just that bad. And this is even before considering compatibility issues and security issues, of which there are plentiful. And cars also have this habit of trying to harvest all your contacts etc. (Wonder how many contacts are floating around in rental cars... sigh)
      - ams6110 8y ago
        Agree, bluetooth is a knock-out factor for me. I refuse to use it, it's been a total PITA any time I've tried.
        senorjazz 8y ago
        same, when it decides to work, it can work well, but most the time it doesn't, or is a hassle. My car just refuses my phone for some reason. cable > connect > go. Every time without fail
    - grincho 8y ago
      Most devices can't remember more than 1 phone at a time, so you have to continually put the thing back into pairing mode. Every device has a different way of putting it into pairing mode. Sometimes there's a code to type, adding an additional step. Then it's several clicks on the phone to connect to the device. Plugging in a cable is often a lot simpler, and it works every time.
    - dspillett 8y ago
- intended 8y ago
  Head phone jack is a big issue. I have no desire to keep one on me at all times on the off chance that I will need it. I just stop listening to music or using the device for that use case. Basically dropping the functionality of the phone significantly, unless I’m home or near my tech storage locker. This is assanine design.
  - laken 8y ago
    Why not just keep the dongle attached to your headphones?
    - tjoff 8y ago
      That's what you do. But what if you have several headphones? (I can barely realistically buy an extra adapter for my phone, never mind the ridiculous cost) I've got two headphones (good sound or active noise cancellation) that I use and every single day I have to keep extra track of the adapter to make sure that I didn't leave it with the other pair - that's even if I don't use it. I mostly use it for long calls but that's typically just once a week. But even that doesn't save you from times where you don't bring any headphones but still want to listen in your car or any other scenario. Has happened multiple times to me already despite all that hassle. Also, a big use case is to listen to music while charging your phone at work etc. With an adapter that isn't possible.
      - wilsonnb 8y ago
        The headphone adapters from Apple and Google cost $9 dollars each. If you can afford to buy a $700 phone, you can afford to spend $30 bucks on some extra adapters if you want them. In most cases, at least. I suppose availability of the adapters might be an issue in some areas as well.
        tjoff 8y ago
        Yeah, exactly. $20 doesn't even cover shipping costs. And doesn't solve the problem of having to bring it all the time. I need to literally spend $50 to be seriously inconvenienced because the manufacturer wanted to save $0.2 ? Also, no. We still have some to wait before anyone produces a $700 phone worth the money.
- psyc 8y ago
  I have one pair of nice headphones. One. The adapter is an inconvenience I don't need. I've had my iPhone 7 for a year and this is still a vexing issue.
  - cwilkes 8y ago
    If you have one pair of headphones then leave the adapter connected to them.
    - psyc 8y ago
      Every other device doesn't need the adapter. So I have to manage keeping track of the adapter, still. No thank you.
  - Bud 8y ago
    If they are really nice, then the cord is removable, and you can buy the Lightning-to-headphone jack cord which is now available. Boom. Solved.
- untog 8y ago
  You're right about the headphone jack for day-to-day use, but there are edge cases everywhere. I was at a birthday celebration a few weeks ago where someone wanted to play a song from their phone. But they couldn't, because they didn't have the adapter and neither did the DJ. I mean, these things happen. But it used to be the case that we had one, universal plug that would work with everything, and I miss that already.
  - washadjeffmad 8y ago
    Usually a DJ will request the file to import into the playlist so they don't get disruptions to playback from texts, phone calls, etc. I'd say it sounds like they found a polite way of telling that person "no". I also wonder if anyone considered sending the media over another protocol. There's BT, NFC, IR, MMS, OTA, Wifi, sharing sites, etc. And if the DJ had 1/4", XLR, USB, HDMI, optical, SPDIF, or RCA, then they'd still have needed adapters, splitters, or converters. None of my audio equipment has 1/8" inputs, so I'm about as sympathetic to the universal argument as I was when cars stopped having CD-audio players and roughly as optimistic in our ability to get over this as a people.
- robolife1 8y ago
  I agree Google has screwed up the choice of communication offerings. But from a use case point, one can very well argue why need one for messaging and one for talking (iMessage and Facetime). Instead WhatsApp does everything in one - dead simple. (In fact, Skype did this too but they never properly capitalized).
iaml 8y ago
Jack is overrated. I have it and don't use it at all after buying airpods.
- dspillett 8y ago
  Not using something you don't have doesn't mean you wouldn't use it if you did. And even if you wouldn't, your needs are not the same as absolutely everyone elses. This argument would be like me saying I don't know why people would want a car. I don't have one, and I walk or cycle or use public transport so don't use the one I don't have.
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  - iaml 8y ago
    For those cases there is an adapter included. About that last part - it's kinda what I think actually. In most cases you can rent a car if you really need _a car_, or choose other options otherwise.
- mgamache 8y ago
  So apple removes a part that costs less then a cent and gets you to purchase $180 headphones? I don't mean to be snarky, by having to swap adapters and no option from Apple to charge and use headphones at the same time irritates me. My iPhone 7 might force me back to android after really liking my iPhone 6.
  - eric-hu 8y ago
    As an iPhone user, I'm holding out for the rumors I've heard about another revamped iPhone SE that will include a headphone jack.
  - iaml 8y ago
    I mean they didn't force me to - i also have a 6. But after trying them out I instabought them and have no regrets. Its amazingly convenient, so light you can easily forget about them, okayish sound and I basically use them most of the day via phone or laptop and I can't go back to any kind of wired in-ear headphones anymore.
tootie 8y ago
My kids will use voice on Fire TV to search for shows. Other than that, I can't recall seeing anyone use a voice assistant with sincerity.
vesak 8y ago
The iPhone SE has a headphone jack. The latest leaks seem to indicate that the upcoming SE 2 will also. But perhaps the screen size is too small for kids.

matwood 8y ago

Siri is definitely Apples biggest weakness, but the headphone jack? The phone comes with a little adapter. If you're a person who has tons of nice headphones laying around, but a couple more adapters and call it a day. Is it a bit of inconvenience at first? Sure, but don't act like there is no way to plug in headphones or that it's the end of the world. And Duo? I'm a tech person and I can't keep all of the Google communication options straight. iMessage and FaceTime are dead simple and work. Finally, if your daughter is having that many issues take it into an Apple store. I know there are anecdotes of bad service at Apple stores, but by and large the service they provide is great.

tjoff 8y ago
Royally disagree with the headphone jack. That is a huge issue that I don't ever see an end to. You never know when you need a headphone jack and there is no realistic way to carry an adapter all the time. And that is even if I'm willing to buy $100 worth of worthless adapters and do my best to sprinkle them out in my life. Friends car? Stereo in the summer vacation house? Buying bluetooth headphones doesn't mitigate this in any sense.
- matte_black 8y ago
  Many stereos and cars should accept Bluetooth connections by now, so I’m not sure what the problem is.
  - tjoff 8y ago
    1. Many more don't. Home stereos typically don't. Regular radios typically don't. 2. Bluetooth is pure crap, the UX for connecting and managing temporary devices is absolutely insane on all devices. This is something you do on your own car but is a major hassle to setup for temporary occasions. And hardly something that is done on a whim just to demo something. It is just that bad. And this is even before considering compatibility issues and security issues, of which there are plentiful. And cars also have this habit of trying to harvest all your contacts etc. (Wonder how many contacts are floating around in rental cars... sigh)
    - ams6110 8y ago
      Agree, bluetooth is a knock-out factor for me. I refuse to use it, it's been a total PITA any time I've tried.
      - senorjazz 8y ago
        same, when it decides to work, it can work well, but most the time it doesn't, or is a hassle. My car just refuses my phone for some reason. cable > connect > go. Every time without fail
  - grincho 8y ago
    Most devices can't remember more than 1 phone at a time, so you have to continually put the thing back into pairing mode. Every device has a different way of putting it into pairing mode. Sometimes there's a code to type, adding an additional step. Then it's several clicks on the phone to connect to the device. Plugging in a cable is often a lot simpler, and it works every time.
  - dspillett 8y ago
intended 8y ago
Head phone jack is a big issue. I have no desire to keep one on me at all times on the off chance that I will need it. I just stop listening to music or using the device for that use case. Basically dropping the functionality of the phone significantly, unless I’m home or near my tech storage locker. This is assanine design.
- laken 8y ago
  Why not just keep the dongle attached to your headphones?
  - tjoff 8y ago
    That's what you do. But what if you have several headphones? (I can barely realistically buy an extra adapter for my phone, never mind the ridiculous cost) I've got two headphones (good sound or active noise cancellation) that I use and every single day I have to keep extra track of the adapter to make sure that I didn't leave it with the other pair - that's even if I don't use it. I mostly use it for long calls but that's typically just once a week. But even that doesn't save you from times where you don't bring any headphones but still want to listen in your car or any other scenario. Has happened multiple times to me already despite all that hassle. Also, a big use case is to listen to music while charging your phone at work etc. With an adapter that isn't possible.
    - wilsonnb 8y ago
      The headphone adapters from Apple and Google cost $9 dollars each. If you can afford to buy a $700 phone, you can afford to spend $30 bucks on some extra adapters if you want them. In most cases, at least. I suppose availability of the adapters might be an issue in some areas as well.
      - tjoff 8y ago
        Yeah, exactly. $20 doesn't even cover shipping costs. And doesn't solve the problem of having to bring it all the time. I need to literally spend $50 to be seriously inconvenienced because the manufacturer wanted to save $0.2 ? Also, no. We still have some to wait before anyone produces a $700 phone worth the money.
psyc 8y ago
I have one pair of nice headphones. One. The adapter is an inconvenience I don't need. I've had my iPhone 7 for a year and this is still a vexing issue.
- cwilkes 8y ago
  If you have one pair of headphones then leave the adapter connected to them.
  - psyc 8y ago
    Every other device doesn't need the adapter. So I have to manage keeping track of the adapter, still. No thank you.
- Bud 8y ago
  If they are really nice, then the cord is removable, and you can buy the Lightning-to-headphone jack cord which is now available. Boom. Solved.
untog 8y ago
You're right about the headphone jack for day-to-day use, but there are edge cases everywhere. I was at a birthday celebration a few weeks ago where someone wanted to play a song from their phone. But they couldn't, because they didn't have the adapter and neither did the DJ. I mean, these things happen. But it used to be the case that we had one, universal plug that would work with everything, and I miss that already.
- washadjeffmad 8y ago
  Usually a DJ will request the file to import into the playlist so they don't get disruptions to playback from texts, phone calls, etc. I'd say it sounds like they found a polite way of telling that person "no". I also wonder if anyone considered sending the media over another protocol. There's BT, NFC, IR, MMS, OTA, Wifi, sharing sites, etc. And if the DJ had 1/4", XLR, USB, HDMI, optical, SPDIF, or RCA, then they'd still have needed adapters, splitters, or converters. None of my audio equipment has 1/8" inputs, so I'm about as sympathetic to the universal argument as I was when cars stopped having CD-audio players and roughly as optimistic in our ability to get over this as a people.
robolife1 8y ago
I agree Google has screwed up the choice of communication offerings. But from a use case point, one can very well argue why need one for messaging and one for talking (iMessage and Facetime). Instead WhatsApp does everything in one - dead simple. (In fact, Skype did this too but they never properly capitalized).

iaml 8y ago

Jack is overrated. I have it and don't use it at all after buying airpods.

dspillett 8y ago
Not using something you don't have doesn't mean you wouldn't use it if you did. And even if you wouldn't, your needs are not the same as absolutely everyone elses. This argument would be like me saying I don't know why people would want a car. I don't have one, and I walk or cycle or use public transport so don't use the one I don't have.
- deleted 8y ago
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- iaml 8y ago
  For those cases there is an adapter included. About that last part - it's kinda what I think actually. In most cases you can rent a car if you really need _a car_, or choose other options otherwise.
mgamache 8y ago
So apple removes a part that costs less then a cent and gets you to purchase $180 headphones? I don't mean to be snarky, by having to swap adapters and no option from Apple to charge and use headphones at the same time irritates me. My iPhone 7 might force me back to android after really liking my iPhone 6.
- eric-hu 8y ago
  As an iPhone user, I'm holding out for the rumors I've heard about another revamped iPhone SE that will include a headphone jack.
- iaml 8y ago
  I mean they didn't force me to - i also have a 6. But after trying them out I instabought them and have no regrets. Its amazingly convenient, so light you can easily forget about them, okayish sound and I basically use them most of the day via phone or laptop and I can't go back to any kind of wired in-ear headphones anymore.

tootie 8y ago

My kids will use voice on Fire TV to search for shows. Other than that, I can't recall seeing anyone use a voice assistant with sincerity.

vesak 8y ago

The iPhone SE has a headphone jack. The latest leaks seem to indicate that the upcoming SE 2 will also. But perhaps the screen size is too small for kids.