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> this is not why I got into tech, I don't want to read 68 pages of yuk One of the goals of this law and similar efforts is to make it clear that you need to c
by pdkl95 9y ago
> this is not why I got into tech, I don't want to read 68 pages of yuk
One of the goals of this law and similar efforts is to make it clear that you need to consider the social, ethical, and legal ramifications of the things you crate. You are not creating neutral things in a vacuum; there is no neutral ground in a burning world[1]. That "small thing on the internet" might be reuniting families that were separated by work or politics, or it might be undermining the support structures of an entire industry or community. Maybe you are creating a social space*, which includes a duty to manage that space to keep so it doesn't become a tool of abuse[2]. Maybe your small site stays small. Obviously you cannot be expected to foresee every potential consequence of your creation, but you at least need to make the effort and catch the low-hanging fruit (e.g. the basic privacy features enforced by the GDPR).
[1] http://opentranscripts.org/transcript/no-neutral-ground-burning-world/ http://opentranscripts.org/transcript/no-neutral-ground-burn...
[2] http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1024060/Still-Logged-In-What-AR http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1024060/Still-Logged-In-What-AR
- kodablah 9y ago> One of the goals of this law and similar efforts is to make it clear that you need to consider the social, ethical, and legal ramifications of the things you create. One often wonders whether lawmakers heed their own advice here with what they create.
- sbov 9y agoIn the US, I've always found it humorous that there is no legal penalty for lawmakers continually and knowingly violating the constitution. The worst that happens is they get their bill struck down in court, then their state's legislature can vote in the next law.
- sitkack 9y agoHow about 3 strikes for politicians. They do their job poorly, they lose it, regardless of their election status.
- vectorpush 9y agoThere is no agreed upon measurement of job performance that transcends the partisan divide.
- irrenhaus 9y agoWell, as a german, where this happens often enough: If a law gets truck down by the Federal Constitutional Court ("Bundesverfassungsgericht") as being in violation of the constitution, this universally can be seen as a bad job performance for the lawmakers. They know the law was in violation of the constitution, still they agreed upon it. It's their fucking job to make sure laws are not in violation of the constitution. This clearly justifies a strike.
- lagadu 9y ago> It's their fucking job to make sure laws are not in violation of the constitution. Well, not really: That's the constitutional court's job.
- Faark 9y agoIs that really true? I'd expect there to be cost associated with shitty law. Uncertainty and frequent changes shouldn't be in the interest of anyone but those whishing for extremes. Thus i'd hope for companies to support politicians who's legislature achievements will last. I'd hope, but am of cause not sure this can overcome those seeking short term benefits and political tribal blood sport thanks to the shitty US two party voting system.
- rtkwe 9y agoResearch shows people support of basic different options like more generous or stricter welfare programs change based just on which party they were told supported which option (chosen randomly by the researchers). In the face of that it's hard to believe that people particularly care about deeper things like that.
- malvosenior 9y agoIt’s safe to say people create hobby projects that fit within their ethical framework. This is about forcing a very slanted set of ethics on pretty much every creator. I personally find regulation like this abhorrent and against my morals. Sadly I don’t have the money to fight the EU so my creations will be blocked to its citizens going forward. The end result of this is that EU citizens will be the ones that suffer from lack of access to technology and the smart ones will end up VPNing into non-EU networks to stay on the cutting edge.
- dmitriid 9y agoWhy do you equate cutting edge with unlimited unregulated collection and processing of personal data?
- matthewmacleod 9y agoI’m just confused by your view. This is a relatively simple regulation that basically required anybody processing user data to do so responsibly. How does one have an ethical objection to that?
- hartator 9y agoDefine anybody. Define user data. Define responsibly.
- matthewmacleod 9y agoPlease read about the GDPR, where this is all explained in far better detail than I will be able to. Alternatively, hire a lawyer, like you would for any other regulatory requirement.
- mirko22 9y ago> in far better detail than I will be able to. Far better details? It gives vague info on what might be considered personal data... I would not call it very detailed. In most cases just says personally identifiable information.
- tomxor 9y ago> [...] You are not creating neutral things in a vacuum; there is no neutral ground in a burning world[1]. That "small thing on the internet" might be reuniting families that were separated by work or politics, or it might be undermining the support structures of an entire industry or community [...] Your points are well argued - especially regarding the ethical and social implications of what we create, and I agree with them, however we have differing definitions of "small" in this context. Your arguments apply to things that are maturing and are reasonably big already, but big things have small beginnings... and the internet/web is a fantastic place for nurturing those very very small ideas for basically free, this law appears to threaten those small ideas.