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I haven't read through all the comments here but so far I haven't seen anyone give credit to Kim Jong Un. He's probably a pretty smart dude and has been plannin
by pow_pp_-1_v 8y ago
I haven't read through all the comments here but so far I haven't seen anyone give credit to Kim Jong Un. He's probably a pretty smart dude and has been planning these moves ever since he was a kid. At the end of all this, he will agree to "denuclearize" by reducing his nuclear stockpile over a very long time period; promise to stop doing nuclear research etc. In return he will get a ton of foreign aid, much weakened sanctions against his country and legitimacy in the international stage.
But who knows. I am no expert.
- malnourish 8y agoSure, give him some credit. In the same breath that he allowed for and committed atrocities against his people.
- flycaliguy 8y agoHe definitely inherited a unique job. This is a new era of realism in politics. One which is trying to overstep the sort of roadblocks comments like yours introduce. I for one want to try this for a bit.
- stcredzero 8y agoThis is a new era of realism in politics. For most of history, politics is realism, just with an overlay of reality distortion to steer things sometimes.
- vkou 8y agoGovernments that don't repress their own people are an outlier, not the norm. Yet, every time Belgium, or the United Kingdom, or Canada or the Unite States is brought up, we don't always have the thread of discussion dominated by all the awful, but irrelevant things that they have done, or are doing.
- Viliam1234 8y agoWhat prevents you from posting "Exactly like North Korea!" whenever Belgium or UK or Canada or US are mentioned? I definitely don't think this would be a smart idea, but... be the change you want to see in the world!
- vkou 8y ago> What prevents you from posting "Exactly like North Korea!" whenever Belgium or UK or Canada or US are mentioned? Nothing, but much of the time, it's as irrelevant as soviet-era "And are you lynching blacks" responses. I don't think it's good for every thread that mentions a country by name to turn into this. If we're talking about incarceration, or political freedom, sure. If we're talking about detente between two countries at war, it's less relevant. If we're talking about roll-out of 10 GW of solar power capacity in China, mentioning its human rights record[1] is a complete non-sequitor... I feel that this case is closer to the latter then the former. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16933883 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16933883
- imbokodo 8y agoYou mean like the massacre of No Gun Ri and the general policy of shooting civilians in the Korean war? The Gwangju massacre? Oh you don't mean the atrocities of the dictatorships in the south under the US military occupation, you mean the north.
- codyb 8y agoJust because others have done something doesn’t excuse the behavior of the individual. That being said, just because someone has done something horrible doesn’t mean they can’t do good things.
- xvedejas 8y agoYour argument is an example of Whataboutism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism) Your examples can be completely correct, and generally pertinent, but still have no weighing on the question of what credit to give Kim Jung-un, which is what the grandparent post is discussing.
- x3n0ph3n3 8y agoBecause the cost of nuclear research and development alone is driving his decision to denuclearize, not some good, humanitarian intentions. North Korean society can't afford the development anymore.
- freeone3000 8y agoI mean. Okay? Cool? Sounds like a plan.