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Obviously there are many factors that brought this about, but even South Korea's foreign minister specifically said Trump gets the credit for this: https://www

Obviously there are many factors that brought this about, but even South Korea's foreign minister specifically said Trump gets the credit for this: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/26/world/korea-summit-kang-kyung-wha-amanpour-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/26/world/korea-summit-kang-kyung...

ceejayoz 8y ago
That foreign leaders have figured out praising Trump for things is a useful tactic isn't shocking. edit: Downvote all you like. If you don't think foreign leaders interacting with the US have a "praise Trump for something" note on their briefings these days, I dunno what to tell you. Especially when you're as closely allied with the US as SK is. Playing to his ego is going to be a common tactic for anyone who wants something from the US.
- mistermann 8y ago
  Do you think it is possible for Trump to achieve anything, or is literally everything he comes near doomed to failure? Serious question, since it isn't clear from what you've written.
  - root_axis 8y ago
    Trump has already achieved plenty domestically (tax bill, successful supreme court appointment, disrupting regulation efforts at the EPA and FCC etc) but I can't say I see much evidence that this development can be attributed to Trump. Of course, nothing happens on the geopolitical stage without some influence from the U.S, but the evidence I do see suggests that this is mostly a combination of factors having to do with South Korean leadership and other recent positive developments between SK and NK during the Olympics. If it comes out that Trump had a specific role in these negotiations then I think he deserves recognition for that, but as of now I haven't seen any indication of that.
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  - ravitation 8y ago
    Trying to be as objective as I can be, it's just hard to see a path (let alone follow it, and think it's reasonable) from Trump to this apparent detente. To be honest the things that Trump did cited in that CNN article are laughable... Seems to me that, if this normalization is for real, Kim Jong-un deserves the overwhelming amount of credit, despite obviously being the head of a horrific regime. EDIT: Downvotes but no responses, lovely.
    - mann1x 8y ago
      I agree, Kim is the puppet master here. Everyone else is just an actor. My opinion is he wants to start mining and selling its huge amount of rare earth minerals with the sanctions lifted. I'm not sure at all he's really interested in reunification. Something like the current Chinese model would fit perfectly his ambitions. And keep him in power for long time.
      - ravitation 8y ago
        Reunification certainly seems farfetched. Generally I think people in the US just are oblivious to the shift in the power dynamic, and the position that Kim has successfully put himself in.
  - ceejayoz 8y ago
    I absolutely believe it's possible for Trump to achieve things. (Good, and bad.) I'll believe North Korea's promises when they're fulfilled. This isn't the first time relations have thawed or they've promised to get rid of their nuclear program, after all.
    - mistermann 8y ago
      Your words that foreign leaders are being dishonest - is that speculation, or a statement of fact? It's not entirely clear from your words, but the context suggests you believe it is a statement of fact. I would think would be considered proper to make it clear.
- sremani 8y ago
  We do know some one in US put a lot of effort, esp. was behind sending three aircraft carriers into the region. Has done enough posturing but had incredibly held back so the situation does not escalate and talked with Chinese to impose and/or stick with sanctions. I do not know who it was, its most likely a huge team of people. All this happened after the State department was purged of his high level officials. What I know is this, there is a huge team of American civilian and military that worked hard to tackle the DPRK problem and have achieved or at least partially achieved their objective. At the very top level these men and women are lead by one guy, Donald J Trump.
  - ceejayoz 8y ago
    If the objective is "have a flashy headline", yes. If the objective is a lasting peace on the Korean peninsula, I'm not so sure. Here's why: https://twitter.com/QiZHAI/status/989795774975242241 https://twitter.com/QiZHAI/status/989795774975242241

ceejayoz 8y ago

That foreign leaders have figured out praising Trump for things is a useful tactic isn't shocking. edit: Downvote all you like. If you don't think foreign leaders interacting with the US have a "praise Trump for something" note on their briefings these days, I dunno what to tell you. Especially when you're as closely allied with the US as SK is. Playing to his ego is going to be a common tactic for anyone who wants something from the US.

mistermann 8y ago
Do you think it is possible for Trump to achieve anything, or is literally everything he comes near doomed to failure? Serious question, since it isn't clear from what you've written.
- root_axis 8y ago
  Trump has already achieved plenty domestically (tax bill, successful supreme court appointment, disrupting regulation efforts at the EPA and FCC etc) but I can't say I see much evidence that this development can be attributed to Trump. Of course, nothing happens on the geopolitical stage without some influence from the U.S, but the evidence I do see suggests that this is mostly a combination of factors having to do with South Korean leadership and other recent positive developments between SK and NK during the Olympics. If it comes out that Trump had a specific role in these negotiations then I think he deserves recognition for that, but as of now I haven't seen any indication of that.
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- ravitation 8y ago
  Trying to be as objective as I can be, it's just hard to see a path (let alone follow it, and think it's reasonable) from Trump to this apparent detente. To be honest the things that Trump did cited in that CNN article are laughable... Seems to me that, if this normalization is for real, Kim Jong-un deserves the overwhelming amount of credit, despite obviously being the head of a horrific regime. EDIT: Downvotes but no responses, lovely.
  - mann1x 8y ago
    I agree, Kim is the puppet master here. Everyone else is just an actor. My opinion is he wants to start mining and selling its huge amount of rare earth minerals with the sanctions lifted. I'm not sure at all he's really interested in reunification. Something like the current Chinese model would fit perfectly his ambitions. And keep him in power for long time.
    - ravitation 8y ago
      Reunification certainly seems farfetched. Generally I think people in the US just are oblivious to the shift in the power dynamic, and the position that Kim has successfully put himself in.
- ceejayoz 8y ago
  I absolutely believe it's possible for Trump to achieve things. (Good, and bad.) I'll believe North Korea's promises when they're fulfilled. This isn't the first time relations have thawed or they've promised to get rid of their nuclear program, after all.
  - mistermann 8y ago
    Your words that foreign leaders are being dishonest - is that speculation, or a statement of fact? It's not entirely clear from your words, but the context suggests you believe it is a statement of fact. I would think would be considered proper to make it clear.
sremani 8y ago
We do know some one in US put a lot of effort, esp. was behind sending three aircraft carriers into the region. Has done enough posturing but had incredibly held back so the situation does not escalate and talked with Chinese to impose and/or stick with sanctions. I do not know who it was, its most likely a huge team of people. All this happened after the State department was purged of his high level officials. What I know is this, there is a huge team of American civilian and military that worked hard to tackle the DPRK problem and have achieved or at least partially achieved their objective. At the very top level these men and women are lead by one guy, Donald J Trump.
- ceejayoz 8y ago
  If the objective is "have a flashy headline", yes. If the objective is a lasting peace on the Korean peninsula, I'm not so sure. Here's why: https://twitter.com/QiZHAI/status/989795774975242241 https://twitter.com/QiZHAI/status/989795774975242241