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And people say devs are not grounded in reality - how dare those fat car plutocrats force workers to show up at 9. What is this, the mid to late 90s?
by orcdork 8y ago
And people say devs are not grounded in reality - how dare those fat car plutocrats force workers to show up at 9. What is this, the mid to late 90s?
- superlopuh 8y agoLive in the future
- magic_beans 8y agoMy manager allows the devs to come in whenever — we roll in from 9 to 11 and stay til the day’s work is done. Everyone comes in absolutely ready to get shit done.
- Kudos 8y agoI run my team's standup at 11 for the same reason. Some folks with stricter routines will still start at 9, others (including myself) start closer to 11.
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- dasmoth 8y agoThe downside of this is that the 9am-ers don’t get a solid stretch of focus in the morning. Have you considered an asynchronous status-reporting thing instead?
- ubermonkey 8y agoIsn't part of the point of a proper standup to allow for synchronous interaction?
- conradfr 8y agoIt's a called Jira, Redmine, etc. The standup meeting is just a duplicate for ... reasons.
- jacquesm 8y agoIf you stick to that line of reasoning you might come to the conclusion that religious adherence to protocol is counterproductive. Don't let the agile coaches hear you!
- xab9 8y agoBy definition I gotta work 8hrs, we have one hour off for lunch, so technically if I started at 11am I would be around til 8pm :(
- systemtest 8y agoWith a 30 minute commute, you are home at 20:30 and can stay up till 02:00. Same hours of freedom, just on a different time.
- xab9 8y agoIf you want to spend time with family that sounds a bit harsh, plus 30 minute commute in a big city is way too optimistic, but of course you're right that free time will not evaporate magically.
- tcoff91 8y agoAre you sure you actually have to work 8 hrs? I thought I had to work 8 hours, but then I had a problem with my neck/shoulder that caused me to have to do an hour+ of physical therapy exercises at home each morning, and i started coming in to the office later in the morning like around 10 am. I found that I could still get my work done and do well. I worked 10-5 all last year while taking hour+ lunches and still got promoted and everyone was happy with my output.
- dasmoth 8y agoYou’d be surprised how many places track hours worked. (Believe it or not, I’ve seen timecards in academia...)
- astura 8y agoI've never worked anywhere where I could randomly decide if "full time" was 40 hours a week or 30 hours a week.
- brixon 8y agoAre you hourly or salary? https://www.listenmoneymatters.com/hourly-vs-salary/ https://www.listenmoneymatters.com/hourly-vs-salary/
- leeoniya 8y agosame here for flexible start times, except CEO still wants to see you punched in for 8 hrs, so come late stay late. our core product is not software but mfg'd goods, so likely a carry-over from that mentality.
- MrBuddyCasino 8y agoThe best programmers that I have known were owls, with few exceptions.
- ataturk 8y agoI'm way smarter at night. I wrote my dissertation between the hours of 10pm and 4am. Thus far, I have been unable to find an employer willing to tap into that.
- kenoyer130 8y agonight owls or just owls. Cuz if they were actual owls that would be awesome.
- kevlawrence 8y agoWho?
- Rumudiez 8y agoThe worst programmers I know are night owls, with one exception. Birds of a feather flock together...
- antihero 8y agoWe have core hours from 10-4 but we have to do 8 hours, it works pretty well and I think is fair. Standup is at 10, I usually wake up at 8 or when my alarm clock goes at 8:15 and I'm not unhappy.
- dasmoth 8y agoWhat’s the reality here? Some sense of “fairness”? Because shop-workers need to work fixed hours, everyone should? You’re hiring developers to build software, not to be office furniture — do the exact hours worked matter very much?
- andrewaylett 8y agoPlenty of shops in the big retail park near my house (Edinburgh, UK) don't open until 10am.
- dghughes 8y agoEven 10am seems early. When I have a week day off and see people shopping I always wonder who are all these people? I can't see everyone being off that day, the same day.
- astura 8y agoBesides people with the day off? People who are not employed for whatever reason (housewife/househusband, between jobs, on permanent disability, medical leave, retired, on sabbatical, etc.) People who work second shift People who work third shift People who work part time People on call Seasonal employees People who work non-traditional schedules[1] People who have flextime at work Students who have late classes or no classes that day [1] Examples: a friend who worked 12 hour shifts Fri-Sun but had M-Th off; another friend who works 10 hour shifts M-T and Th-Fri with Wed and the weekend off.
- dghughes 8y agoI don't disagree with your list but living in a fairly small town of 70,000 it seems odd to see so many people out. You can add tourists to the list too.
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- mrbgty 8y agoInteresting comment. I agree with you and yet as a developer I've often observed sales staff with extremely flexible working hours, often expensing quite a bit to the company making base salaries as high or higher than devs while getting huge commissions. And yet I don't really ever observe devs or others suggesting that the sales staff isn't grounded in reality. I honestly don't think the dev team cares and would fully appreciate a salesman who said he would be able to sell better if he slept in till noon.
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- ravitation 8y agoYou're right. Let's not be aspirational. Let's shame people for even putting forth the idea that some alternative might lead to more productive workers with higher overall happiness and health. How dare people question convention.