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So far the QC is sorely lacking on Tesla's cars, nevermind getting parts for your car after a few years. Its incredible what Tesla has gotten away with in terms

So far the QC is sorely lacking on Tesla's cars, nevermind getting parts for your car after a few years. Its incredible what Tesla has gotten away with in terms of locking people out from repairing their own cars!

williamdclt 8y ago
Apple did the exact same for computers, Tesla is surfing on the same kind of hype wave I suppose
- danmaz74 8y ago
  But cars cost A LOT more than phones...
  - montalbano 8y ago
    What about tractors? See John Deere: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/pamkqn/watch-tractor-hacking-john-deere-right-to-repair-documentary https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/pamkqn/watch-trac...
  - ctdonath 8y ago
    Principles shouldn't depend on price for applicability.
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systemtest 8y ago
If you own a salvaged Tesla, you can’t get a single part (not even a screw or a little plastic bolt cover), you can’t use the supercharger, you can’t use AutoPilot, you can’t apply for any recall (not even government mandated ones) and the software diagnostics tool is paid by the hour. There are several Youtube users that have salvaged a water-damaged Tesla by using the battery, engine and electronics from a crash-damaged Tesla using nothing but backyard engineering. Tesla doesn’t supply parts so they have to grab everything from donor vehicles.
- ianai 8y ago
  How are you supposed to get repairs then?
  - icantdrive55 8y ago
    Take it to a high priced dealership. In all honestly, so many vechicle companies are forcing customers to pricey dealerships for repairs. As someone who's been to Automotive School, I find paying $240/hr. for some dealership mechanic to work on your vechicle crazy. In most states, auto manufactures will not sell service manuals, or even the the opportunity to buy the proprietary scan tool. So many companies are denying acces to repair manual. My fathers last vechicle was a Dodge Dakota. He didn't think twice about telling the sales person to throw in the service manuals before he bought the truck. He would not understand today's climate of price gouging, or violations of The Sherman Anti-trust Act. It's not just vechicles, it's watches, it's Apple products, etc. It's ironic because the whole DIY is thriving, and learning how to repair something has never been easier? I hope this bill is passed: https://a13.asmdc.org/press-releases/20180307-eggman-introduces-legislation-create-right-repair-electronics https://a13.asmdc.org/press-releases/20180307-eggman-introdu... (We are living in a society that really penalizes the poor. Poor people work on their stuff. We used to squeak by, but lately it's just getting so hard.)
  - StudentStuff 8y ago
    The car is disposable, meant to be sent to the crusher once its out of warranty. Really screwed up business model IMO, but people seem to be buying Tesla's still.
    - llsf 8y ago
      That is not true. The very first Tesla had little that Tesla bothered to repair, and so for any major repair, Tesla would tell the insurance that the car was totaled. Which was a boon for people who salvage them. A friend salvaged a 85 that had no structural damage, but was dimmed totaled by insurance. Tesla then revised the policy and now Tesla repairs more. I know a mechanics at Tesla, and his job is to repair Teslas. Tesla used to send him across the globe and shipped parts so he could repair the car on site. Now, Tesla expands its repair facilities, so no more travel for him.
WhompingWindows 8y ago
It's not like it's that much better with other automakers. I have a 2008 Prius touchscreen that could use replacement. From the manufacturer, you're looking at 700-1k for that repair, on a car that is worth possibly 3k. I could search through a junkyard for a replacement, but even then, I'm possibly spending 15% of the value of the car on a non-essential repair. Getting specialized/rare parts in general is just a pricy proposition. It's a sad fact of buying machines these days.

williamdclt 8y ago

Apple did the exact same for computers, Tesla is surfing on the same kind of hype wave I suppose

danmaz74 8y ago
But cars cost A LOT more than phones...
- montalbano 8y ago
  What about tractors? See John Deere: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/pamkqn/watch-tractor-hacking-john-deere-right-to-repair-documentary https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/pamkqn/watch-trac...
- ctdonath 8y ago
  Principles shouldn't depend on price for applicability.

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systemtest 8y ago

If you own a salvaged Tesla, you can’t get a single part (not even a screw or a little plastic bolt cover), you can’t use the supercharger, you can’t use AutoPilot, you can’t apply for any recall (not even government mandated ones) and the software diagnostics tool is paid by the hour. There are several Youtube users that have salvaged a water-damaged Tesla by using the battery, engine and electronics from a crash-damaged Tesla using nothing but backyard engineering. Tesla doesn’t supply parts so they have to grab everything from donor vehicles.

ianai 8y ago
How are you supposed to get repairs then?
- icantdrive55 8y ago
  Take it to a high priced dealership. In all honestly, so many vechicle companies are forcing customers to pricey dealerships for repairs. As someone who's been to Automotive School, I find paying $240/hr. for some dealership mechanic to work on your vechicle crazy. In most states, auto manufactures will not sell service manuals, or even the the opportunity to buy the proprietary scan tool. So many companies are denying acces to repair manual. My fathers last vechicle was a Dodge Dakota. He didn't think twice about telling the sales person to throw in the service manuals before he bought the truck. He would not understand today's climate of price gouging, or violations of The Sherman Anti-trust Act. It's not just vechicles, it's watches, it's Apple products, etc. It's ironic because the whole DIY is thriving, and learning how to repair something has never been easier? I hope this bill is passed: https://a13.asmdc.org/press-releases/20180307-eggman-introduces-legislation-create-right-repair-electronics https://a13.asmdc.org/press-releases/20180307-eggman-introdu... (We are living in a society that really penalizes the poor. Poor people work on their stuff. We used to squeak by, but lately it's just getting so hard.)
- StudentStuff 8y ago
  The car is disposable, meant to be sent to the crusher once its out of warranty. Really screwed up business model IMO, but people seem to be buying Tesla's still.
  - llsf 8y ago
    That is not true. The very first Tesla had little that Tesla bothered to repair, and so for any major repair, Tesla would tell the insurance that the car was totaled. Which was a boon for people who salvage them. A friend salvaged a 85 that had no structural damage, but was dimmed totaled by insurance. Tesla then revised the policy and now Tesla repairs more. I know a mechanics at Tesla, and his job is to repair Teslas. Tesla used to send him across the globe and shipped parts so he could repair the car on site. Now, Tesla expands its repair facilities, so no more travel for him.

WhompingWindows 8y ago

It's not like it's that much better with other automakers. I have a 2008 Prius touchscreen that could use replacement. From the manufacturer, you're looking at 700-1k for that repair, on a car that is worth possibly 3k. I could search through a junkyard for a replacement, but even then, I'm possibly spending 15% of the value of the car on a non-essential repair. Getting specialized/rare parts in general is just a pricy proposition. It's a sad fact of buying machines these days.