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Yup, totally arbitrary. That's why I prefer the poetry yeast writes about the beauty of the universe and the pain of existence to that written by humans.
by Tomminn 8y ago
Yup, totally arbitrary. That's why I prefer the poetry yeast writes about the beauty of the universe and the pain of existence to that written by humans.
- komali2 8y agoIs your point that only humans have culture? There is evidence of culture and learned behaviors in animals as simple as birds.
- Tomminn 8y agoMy point is that the hierarchy is ordered by increasingly sophisticated internal conscious experience. This is the least arbitrary thing ever when it comes to concern around suffering.
- komali2 8y agoMy argument was more that there is no association between a theoretical "hierarchy of care" and actual, real brain sophistication. If there were, people would for example eat cats before they ate pigs.
- Tomminn 8y agoI didn't realize that was your argument. I'd agree with that.
- pbhjpbhj 8y agoCats don't have much meat, I imagine larger mammals are farmed because they're large. But inhibition to eating pigs would be larger than that for eating cats, I'd agree on that.
- Tomminn 8y agoSorry edit: I disagree strongly that there is no association, it's an 80-20 thing. 80% can be explained by real brain sophistication, with 20% explained by cultural baggage.
- firethief 8y ago"As simple as"--are you placing birds in a hierarchy?
- komali2 8y agoSure, a hierarchy of complexity. You don't think such a thing would exist? Why are you trying to seek out a hypocrisy angle in my arguments? I feel like that's a somewhat boring way to go about this.