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> a run that takes 1 hour on 720 cores can be run on the CPUs of a 48-core personal computer in 16 hours Is calling a 48-core machine a "personal computer" a b
by ironrabbit 8y ago
> a run that takes 1 hour on 720 cores can be run on the CPUs of a 48-core personal computer in 16 hours
Is calling a 48-core machine a "personal computer" a bit of a stretch, or am I missing something?
- igravious 8y agoIt's more than a bit of a stretch I reckon. That's how the all but hermetically sealed SV tech scene warps some engineers sense of what a regular nerd has access to I suppose.
- segmondy 8y agoDunno, I have a 32 core, 128gb ram that I bought for $1000. I have a Xeon phi 60core card that I bought for $200 sitting by it ready go go in when I get the chance. When GPU prices drop, I'm probably going to add 2 1080Ts. I'm just a regular computer user.
- banachtarski 8y ago*eyeroll You're also one of "those" people
- taeric 8y agoDefine "regular computer user." What are you doing with these machines that comes close to using all of the cores?
- nl 8y agoI don't know what the OP is doing, but something like XGBoost scales really well across multiple cores. I've used my 2014 MBP with a 4 core i7 (plus hyperthreading) plus 3 desktop i5 boxes for over 24 hours straight on the same XGB task before. The 8 CPU threads on the MBP lets it outperform more recent machines on this kind of task.
- taeric 8y agoOh, I get that there are things you can do with a setup like this. I challenge that this is a "regular computer user" level of thing to do, though. Mining bitcoin is not a regular user task. Nor is being a render farm for an animated movie. :)
- nl 8y agoIt's on a post called "Accelerating Deep Neuroevolution". I'm pretty sure it's a regular computer for anyone doing that.... I think the point of "regular" was that it's not exactly some extreme budget needed to do this.
- taeric 8y agoThat makes some sense. However, even in an article about Olympic athletes, I would expect a "regular person" to not be one of them.
- nl 8y agoI think there’s an awful lot of emphasis on the word regular and not much on the “32 cores for $1000” which - given the context of this story - is much more relevant and interesting.
- taeric 8y agoI specifically quoted "regular computer user." This thread was specifically about that being a personal computer. I mean, yes, I can see how an individual can get one. And it is definitely neat to see them pushed to their limits. But calling yourself a regular computer user with a machine that strong is a stretch.
- derefr 8y agoYou’re a computer hobbyist, you mean. You have to have done a whole lot of bargain-hunting to set that build up at that price. The “regular computer user” doesn’t bother with that—they just buy what they can afford at their local shop, which usually means a rather crap laptop. (Mind you, it doesn’t take any more technical knowledgeability than most users to bargain-hunt like you have; but knowing that the product can be of varying quality at a given price, and caring enough to put in the time to get something of good quality, makes you an exception, in the same way that people who e.g. comparison-shop for quality suits or shoes are an exception. It’s a general mentality that most people don’t subscribe to—neither the “buying the best” of the rich, nor the “economizing” of the poor, but rather the optimizing ROI of the economics-minded. And even an economist will only apply this kind of thinking to cases where they actually believe this thing will affect their life enough that the research time-cost is worth it—i.e. when it’s a hobby of theirs. Economics-minded computer hobbyists are a rather more niche set than “regular computer users!”)
- mysterydip 8y agoWhere'd you get them? I could use an upgrade for that price.
- segmondy 8y ago32 core from Amazon Used, the Xeon phi when it was on sale 2 yrs ago.
- singhrac 8y agoI think the intended implication is that it's accessible to individual researchers that don't work at Facebook/Brain/DeepMind with gigantic clusters (and the engineers able to maintain those clusters). Unfortunately deep learning is still expensive, but many areas of science are (most biology research, high energy physics, etc.). That's why we have grants.
- Symmetry 8y agoI think they're using "personal computer" there only in the narrow sense that a dual socket tower workstation conforms to the PC spec. But then they go on to GPU performance which allows a machine you could reasonably have as your home computer to do this quickly.
- currymj 8y agoi also raised my eyebrows at this. i think "workstation" might have been a better choice of word than "personal computer". but people, especially in the sciences, do actually buy desktop computers with these sorts of specs -- they run like $10k-20k, probably.
- haZard_OS 8y agoCloser to the 20k end, I'm afraid. More options are opening up now with GPU processing power on less expensive desktops ( ~ $13k ).
- snovv_crash 8y agoDunno, check out [1]. You can configure for 48 cores and 256GB ECC DDR4 for under $10k. [1] http://www.titancomputers.com/Titan-W375-Dual-AMD-EPYC-Processors-Workstation-p/w375.htm http://www.titancomputers.com/Titan-W375-Dual-AMD-EPYC-Proce...
- ansible 8y agoIf you don't care about your electricity bill, you can buy used Xeon workstations on your favorite auction site. A couple years ago, we picked up a HP Z800 workstation with two 12-core processors and 24GB of RAM for $400. The main downside is that if the power supply (proprietary) or motherboard die, there's not easy fix for it other than buying another of the same model.
- wpietri 8y agoAbsolutely! I wanted something to host my private and experimental stuff. A friend of mine who tracks used server auctions pointed me at some servers that were Dell systems clearly custom built for one of the large SV companies. I paid $450 for a box with 72GB of RAM and 16 cores. At that price, I just bought a second one for spares. Which I haven't needed to use in the 4 or 5 years I've been using it. It has been great.
- telchar 8y agoWould you care to share the server auction site? I've thought about doing something like that.
- wpietri 8y agoThis was 4+ years ago, so I have no idea of the current market, but I bought from this eBay vendor: http://stores.ebay.com/deepdiscountservers http://stores.ebay.com/deepdiscountservers
- foobiekr 8y agoWeirdStuff also used to be great for this.
- lopmotr 8y agoIf you only had 10% of the cores, that hour would become a day, which is still pretty good.
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