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'But, like SMS, Chat won’t be end-to-end encrypted' Hey Google? 1992 called, they want their clear text messaging app back...
by bigiain 9y ago
'But, like SMS, Chat won’t be end-to-end encrypted'
Hey Google? 1992 called, they want their clear text messaging app back...
- tzakrajs 9y agoHey you with good ideas? 1984 called, I can't tell you what they said next...
- colordrops 9y agoWithout encryption, it's dead on arrival.
- Semirhage 9y agoE2E encryption isn’t a product Google will want to offer unless they have keys to a back door for marketing purposes, and to give to their TLA and Pentagon pals. Signal exists, and that’s where my hopes lie. It’s not perfect, but it works.
- lopmotr 9y agoWith encryption many countries won't let their carriers implement it. So also dead on arrival.
- sliken 9y agoPlease name one country that bans their carriers from implementing a message system without e2e encryption.
- bigiain 9y agoThis isn't exactly an answer to the question you asked - but I believe at least India mandates SMS use A5/0 which means SMS cannot legally be encrypted. (This is half-remembered memory from a DefCon talk I watched on YouTube recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQSu9cBaojc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQSu9cBaojc )
- colordrops 9y agohow does iMessage get away with it
- Eridrus 9y agoiMessage is not a carrier protocol, which is because it did not have to thread the needle with carriers the way Google has here with RCS.
- bigiain 9y agoIf the problem is "Nations making rules about SMS encryption" (like India does I believe) - then Apple isn't an interested party because that's all on the cellular carrier to implement and comply with. Telegram is a current example of the different problem of "how can a nation regulate non SMS messaging app encryption" I suspect Apple _is_ wondering just how long iMessage will "get away with" that...
- kiwijamo 9y agoThe carrier does not have to implement anything specific for Google. Apple's implementation shows how to do hybrid messaging apps without putting any burden on the carrier. They use the standard SMS system provided by the carrier where necessary so no changes needed by the carrier as they just process it as a normal SMS. And when both sides have Apple devices the messages are exchanged securely via IP which carriers can also process as normal IP packets. Google could easily do the latter securely while offering an opt-in (or opt-out like Apple) option to fall back to insecure SMS.
- ams6110 9y agoIt's not, the vast majority of people don't care. But if you don't have that, then SMS is good enough. I don't have a data plan so it's a non starter for me anyway.