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The comments here have this mentality of "there are people with different opinions from me, why don't these websites deal with these opinions". It's dangerous t

by gottam 8y ago

The comments here have this mentality of "there are people with different opinions from me, why don't these websites deal with these opinions". It's dangerous thinking that can be applied to your opinions. The internet always worked this way. There are the cesspools, maybe things you don't like, but if you don't feel like engaging with these communities you simply keep going. Problem with these social media forum sites is that as much as you don't want to engage/debate with these communities they still use the same website as you so its unavoidable. This is why centralizing these forums onto one website was a bad idea, blame that. Because now, there's too much money involved and excluding people of certain political ideas or whatever means you lose a substantial chunk of userbase, which means users would depart to another website.

ikmujn 8y ago
The world went to war with those different opinions not that long ago.
youdontknowtho 8y ago
To be fair, some of the "speech" on Reddit is actually dangerous. Like, get people hurt dangerous.
- partiallypro 8y ago
  I've never seen an active threat on Reddit, what do you define as dangerous? Can you give an example? I've been on Reddit almost since the beginning and I've never come across a post that I felt posed any danger. Maybe I'm in the wrong subreddits.
  - youdontknowtho 8y ago
    You are in the wrong subreddits. EDIT: AND your anecdotal experience isn't conclusive.
    - Karunamon 8y ago
      So you have no examples? Bare assertions don't make for very good discussion.
      - youdontknowtho 8y ago
        Yeah, this is a discussion. That's what it is.
projektir 8y ago
> The comments here have this mentality of "there are people with different opinions from me, why don't these websites deal with these opinions". It's dangerous thinking that can be applied to your opinions. It has nothing to do with opinions. It has never been about opinions, and you know it. It has to do with antisocial behavior. Antisocial behavior is inherently hostile and doesn't deserve a platform, which has been known to anyone who has ever ran any kind of social space for a long time. If you don't moderate antisocial behavior, you create a community where only that behavior thrives. This is not news, and the real dangerous trend that I'm seeing is that antisocial behavior doesn't matter and should be protected. No, it shouldn't. > There are the cesspools, maybe things you don't like, but if you don't feel like engaging with these communities you simply keep going. Yes, except thanks to aggregators all the communities got, well, aggregated, and now there's really nowhere else to go. A cesspool used to compete with other non-cesspools, now we're all in just one big cesspool, because the quality of trash is that it affects everything it's in. Thank god for programming IRC communities.
- SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
  >Antisocial behavior is inherently hostile and doesn't deserve a platform How many posts would we need to go back and forth for you to tell me who gets to decide what “Antisocial behavior” is?
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  >This is not news, and the real dangerous trend that I'm seeing is that antisocial behavior doesn't matter and should be protected. No, it shouldn't. There was a time when approving of gay marriage or suggesting that women are equal to men in most regards would have been considered "antisocial" by a good chunk of the population. There was also a time when it was not antisocial at all to suggest that certain races of people are superior to others. Times change. Today's acceptable could very well be tomorrows antisocial and vise-versa.
  - projektir 8y ago
    I am not sure what is the point you're trying to make. If we define a behavioral set, such as "antisocial", meaning, behavior not welcome in a society, why does the fact that we later expand this set indicate a problem with using the set?
CM30 8y ago
Yeah, exactly this. Many of the communities on platforms like Reddit simply cannot co-exist, and having independent forums for them meant they could operate peacefully without those who dislike the fundamental premise of the community worrying or complaining about their existence. You could probably even compare social media sites to schools or prisons really. Tons of people with different, wildly incompatible viewpoints or philosophies stuck in a place they don't really care for.
partiallypro 8y ago
Reddit once was a good place to engage in things like politics, but now it is a cesspool of left leaning people. /r/politics turning into a largely left platform has helped to give rise to the more extreme groups that feel ostracized. It is my opinion that effectively banning views that can at times be extreme (though non-violent and not inherently bigoted) only draws more people to them. I don't blame Reddit for being too hands off, if anything I often blame them for being too hands on. That may not be a popular opinion; but I have in my any years in active online forums/newsgroups/message boards from the early 2000s, to now, seen this happen so many times. A overactive admin/mod group always has a blowback, which generally ends in another community forming with more extreme views than what was originally the cause of the bans.
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by gottam 8y ago

ikmujn 8y ago

The world went to war with those different opinions not that long ago.

youdontknowtho 8y ago

To be fair, some of the "speech" on Reddit is actually dangerous. Like, get people hurt dangerous.

partiallypro 8y ago
I've never seen an active threat on Reddit, what do you define as dangerous? Can you give an example? I've been on Reddit almost since the beginning and I've never come across a post that I felt posed any danger. Maybe I'm in the wrong subreddits.
- youdontknowtho 8y ago
  You are in the wrong subreddits. EDIT: AND your anecdotal experience isn't conclusive.
  - Karunamon 8y ago
    So you have no examples? Bare assertions don't make for very good discussion.
    - youdontknowtho 8y ago
      Yeah, this is a discussion. That's what it is.

projektir 8y ago

> The comments here have this mentality of "there are people with different opinions from me, why don't these websites deal with these opinions". It's dangerous thinking that can be applied to your opinions. It has nothing to do with opinions. It has never been about opinions, and you know it. It has to do with antisocial behavior. Antisocial behavior is inherently hostile and doesn't deserve a platform, which has been known to anyone who has ever ran any kind of social space for a long time. If you don't moderate antisocial behavior, you create a community where only that behavior thrives. This is not news, and the real dangerous trend that I'm seeing is that antisocial behavior doesn't matter and should be protected. No, it shouldn't. > There are the cesspools, maybe things you don't like, but if you don't feel like engaging with these communities you simply keep going. Yes, except thanks to aggregators all the communities got, well, aggregated, and now there's really nowhere else to go. A cesspool used to compete with other non-cesspools, now we're all in just one big cesspool, because the quality of trash is that it affects everything it's in. Thank god for programming IRC communities.

SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
>Antisocial behavior is inherently hostile and doesn't deserve a platform How many posts would we need to go back and forth for you to tell me who gets to decide what “Antisocial behavior” is?
dsfyu404ed 8y ago
>This is not news, and the real dangerous trend that I'm seeing is that antisocial behavior doesn't matter and should be protected. No, it shouldn't. There was a time when approving of gay marriage or suggesting that women are equal to men in most regards would have been considered "antisocial" by a good chunk of the population. There was also a time when it was not antisocial at all to suggest that certain races of people are superior to others. Times change. Today's acceptable could very well be tomorrows antisocial and vise-versa.
- projektir 8y ago
  I am not sure what is the point you're trying to make. If we define a behavioral set, such as "antisocial", meaning, behavior not welcome in a society, why does the fact that we later expand this set indicate a problem with using the set?

CM30 8y ago

Yeah, exactly this. Many of the communities on platforms like Reddit simply cannot co-exist, and having independent forums for them meant they could operate peacefully without those who dislike the fundamental premise of the community worrying or complaining about their existence. You could probably even compare social media sites to schools or prisons really. Tons of people with different, wildly incompatible viewpoints or philosophies stuck in a place they don't really care for.

partiallypro 8y ago

Reddit once was a good place to engage in things like politics, but now it is a cesspool of left leaning people. /r/politics turning into a largely left platform has helped to give rise to the more extreme groups that feel ostracized. It is my opinion that effectively banning views that can at times be extreme (though non-violent and not inherently bigoted) only draws more people to them. I don't blame Reddit for being too hands off, if anything I often blame them for being too hands on. That may not be a popular opinion; but I have in my any years in active online forums/newsgroups/message boards from the early 2000s, to now, seen this happen so many times. A overactive admin/mod group always has a blowback, which generally ends in another community forming with more extreme views than what was originally the cause of the bans.

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