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Here's an amazing video of what happens in the cockpit during an engine failure in a commercial airliner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEf35NtlBLg https://ww

Here's an amazing video of what happens in the cockpit during an engine failure in a commercial airliner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEf35NtlBLg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEf35NtlBLg

pbhjpbhj 8y ago
I really like these videos - basically, however, they have a chat, talk to ATC, put the seatbelt light on, read the checklist and turn off some things, monitor the engine. There's no noticeable flurry of activity, it's like watching an accountant talking to her secretary, just they have nicer views.
- blktiger 8y ago
  That's exactly the way you want an emergency to be. Lots of time to deal with the problem so you can make sure you follow all the steps correctly. If they were to have an engine failure on final or at a much lower altitude then things can get much more serious quite quickly. For example US Airways 1459 had less than 5 minutes between the bird strike and landing in the Hudson. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549
  - jballanc 8y ago
    And yet, even that crash was the epitome of calm, efficient action on the part of the pilots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYDZea4BcXE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYDZea4BcXE Edit: I should say, on the part of the pilots and ATC. Here's an even better audio of the event from more perspectives - https://youtu.be/tE_5eiYn0D0?t=83 https://youtu.be/tE_5eiYn0D0?t=83
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- peterwwillis 8y ago
  The only disconcerting thing was that their runbooks don't seem too well organized. At one point the flying pilot was looking at the wrong section of the book and had to be corrected... don't know what that was about.
  - huffmsa 8y ago
    That's why you have 2+ people. Unlikely that 2+ people will make the same mistake. Unless you're on Asiana or another provider where junior crew are taught to defer to the superior at all times. Which is a problem most of the industry recognized a while back and thus makes sure that the staff is usually around the same level of seniority.
    - tylersmith 8y ago
      Crew Resource Management is important and became a standard in the industry after United 173[1] ran out of fuel because everyone was distracted by a failed light. The low fuel was noticed by co-pilots who were not assertive about the seriousness of the issue to the more senior captain. As a result the NTSB made a specific recommendation that all crew members be taught to be assertive. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_173 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_173
  - everdev 8y ago
    I can't remember where I read this, but I think that played a part in another accident. I think the airlines then put colored tabs in the manual to help eliminate confusion.
- maroonblazer 8y ago
  I'm always impressed by the unparalleled professionalism when listening to these cockpit recordings during emergencies. Professionalism by literally everyone involved: the tower, the other surrounding planes that are being delayed and most of all the affected flight crew. It's the epitome of "Keep calm and carry on". I often think about these when sitting in meetings with people who get far more emotional over issues that are the farthest thing from an emergency. EDIT: My comment was more a reaction to the recording of the SWA flight in question that's linked in the OPs article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkVTdvcghHc&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkVTdvcghHc&feature=youtu.be
- supernovae 8y ago
  Imagine if in cars people ran a checklist and reminded themselves of training when things went sideways. Instead, we road-rage, swear, honk, scream, yell and let our days get ruined and sometimes our lives get ruined out of nothing but sheer ignorance and stupidity. Sure, sometimes accidents just happen and people die, but more often then not when we get into cars people are assholes. When we get into planes, people are generally professionals. (as far as crew / pilot / captain is concerned)
  - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
    People take things way too personally on the road. Other people aren't assholes. Road etiquette is just different. You shouldn't get bent out of shape when someone cuts you off. That a normal occurrence. Driving is a skill like anything else. The fact that a large part of the general population doesn't drive in a manner that's optimal for safety is perfectly normal and should be expected. The general population has to manage their own finances, budget their own time, cook their own food, etc and few people do any of those optimally. There's no reason to expect the general population to do anything optimally. In a car you usually don't have much time between things going south and crashing. An aircraft typically has a lot of time before it runs into anything. Mechanical failure is a negligible factor in vehicle accidents anyway (if it weren't you'd probably see insurance companies giving people in non-inspection states discounts for getting one anyway). Most of the time the car just coasts/grinds to a stop on the side of the road. Comparing airline pilots (qualified professionals who've worked their way up the chain) to the general population isn't quite right either. Being level headed is part of the job. The same is not true for the average person going about their day.

Here's an amazing video of what happens in the cockpit during an engine failure in a commercial airliner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEf35NtlBLg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEf35NtlBLg

pbhjpbhj 8y ago

I really like these videos - basically, however, they have a chat, talk to ATC, put the seatbelt light on, read the checklist and turn off some things, monitor the engine. There's no noticeable flurry of activity, it's like watching an accountant talking to her secretary, just they have nicer views.

blktiger 8y ago
That's exactly the way you want an emergency to be. Lots of time to deal with the problem so you can make sure you follow all the steps correctly. If they were to have an engine failure on final or at a much lower altitude then things can get much more serious quite quickly. For example US Airways 1459 had less than 5 minutes between the bird strike and landing in the Hudson. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549
- jballanc 8y ago
  And yet, even that crash was the epitome of calm, efficient action on the part of the pilots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYDZea4BcXE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYDZea4BcXE Edit: I should say, on the part of the pilots and ATC. Here's an even better audio of the event from more perspectives - https://youtu.be/tE_5eiYn0D0?t=83 https://youtu.be/tE_5eiYn0D0?t=83
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peterwwillis 8y ago
The only disconcerting thing was that their runbooks don't seem too well organized. At one point the flying pilot was looking at the wrong section of the book and had to be corrected... don't know what that was about.
- huffmsa 8y ago
  That's why you have 2+ people. Unlikely that 2+ people will make the same mistake. Unless you're on Asiana or another provider where junior crew are taught to defer to the superior at all times. Which is a problem most of the industry recognized a while back and thus makes sure that the staff is usually around the same level of seniority.
  - tylersmith 8y ago
    Crew Resource Management is important and became a standard in the industry after United 173[1] ran out of fuel because everyone was distracted by a failed light. The low fuel was noticed by co-pilots who were not assertive about the seriousness of the issue to the more senior captain. As a result the NTSB made a specific recommendation that all crew members be taught to be assertive. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_173 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_173
- everdev 8y ago
  I can't remember where I read this, but I think that played a part in another accident. I think the airlines then put colored tabs in the manual to help eliminate confusion.
maroonblazer 8y ago
I'm always impressed by the unparalleled professionalism when listening to these cockpit recordings during emergencies. Professionalism by literally everyone involved: the tower, the other surrounding planes that are being delayed and most of all the affected flight crew. It's the epitome of "Keep calm and carry on". I often think about these when sitting in meetings with people who get far more emotional over issues that are the farthest thing from an emergency. EDIT: My comment was more a reaction to the recording of the SWA flight in question that's linked in the OPs article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkVTdvcghHc&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkVTdvcghHc&feature=youtu.be
supernovae 8y ago
Imagine if in cars people ran a checklist and reminded themselves of training when things went sideways. Instead, we road-rage, swear, honk, scream, yell and let our days get ruined and sometimes our lives get ruined out of nothing but sheer ignorance and stupidity. Sure, sometimes accidents just happen and people die, but more often then not when we get into cars people are assholes. When we get into planes, people are generally professionals. (as far as crew / pilot / captain is concerned)
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  People take things way too personally on the road. Other people aren't assholes. Road etiquette is just different. You shouldn't get bent out of shape when someone cuts you off. That a normal occurrence. Driving is a skill like anything else. The fact that a large part of the general population doesn't drive in a manner that's optimal for safety is perfectly normal and should be expected. The general population has to manage their own finances, budget their own time, cook their own food, etc and few people do any of those optimally. There's no reason to expect the general population to do anything optimally. In a car you usually don't have much time between things going south and crashing. An aircraft typically has a lot of time before it runs into anything. Mechanical failure is a negligible factor in vehicle accidents anyway (if it weren't you'd probably see insurance companies giving people in non-inspection states discounts for getting one anyway). Most of the time the car just coasts/grinds to a stop on the side of the road. Comparing airline pilots (qualified professionals who've worked their way up the chain) to the general population isn't quite right either. Being level headed is part of the job. The same is not true for the average person going about their day.