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He can also just choose to not log ip addresses.

morgante 9y ago
Not logging IPs makes debugging and abuse detection much more challenging. Moreover, it is also the current default in most software which touches HTTP requests.
- krapp 9y ago
  We could make it easier for states to find and prosecute criminals by not requiring warrants and making encryption illegal, but we don't (and we shouldn't) because the peoples' rights are inalienable, whereas the rights of states, corporations and other entities to interfere with that privacy are not. Yes, it would be more challenging, and inconvenient, and probably a massive pain in the ass not to log IPs by default, but if the end result is a weakening of the power of modern social media companies (and political and law enforcement agencies) to exploit people's data for nefarious ends without consequence, then society as a whole, and the web, benefit. Mind you, I don't necessarily believe GDPR is the solution, or that logging IPs is unreasonable, but I do welcome the conversation people seem to be having about who owns their identity.
tobltobs 9y ago
You missed the part about the blog comments. He would also need to implement a mechanism which allows users to delete their old comments.
- calgoo 9y ago
  Not to stretch out this comment any more, but are we seriously arguing that adding a delete button is hard? I mean, most people on here would agree that its not something they would worry about. It sounds more like people are upset they are forced to do it, and have no say in it.
  - tobltobs 9y ago
    How want you add a delete button with out adding a complete login system? Or do you want to allow everybody to delete every comment? And of course this is also doable, but the question is, is it worth for a non profit (non tracking) blog? Probably not. Is it worth for Facebook and Google? Sure.
    - morgante 9y ago
      Exactly. I'm not arguing it's impossible, but that it imposes a meaningful additional burden on small operators without any real benefit to privacy. Personally, I don't even think people should have the right to go back and delete a comment from years ago, which might have started a whole interesting discussion. But the EU requires that I think through such a system, including finding a way to identify them as the commenter and purge their PII from all logs/backups/caches as well.
  - hartator 9y ago
    We argue why putting people in jail for not implementing a delete button is regulatory overeach.
- pbhjpbhj 9y ago
  The mechanism is they send you an email, you verify it as you wish (have them post a comment using their credentials), you overwrite all comments from that uid in the db with a simple query? If you're using a CMS then it's going to be type the username and hit "delete all comments"; maybe WordPress et al. do this already. With a small blog the administration of that is going to be facile, surely.
  - tobltobs 9y ago
    Sure it is facile. But it is a burden and a exposure to risk, which wont be worthwhile for the most non profit blogs. And by the way, most blog comment systems don't require you to create an account before commenting. So this "have them post a comment using their credentials" wont work anyway.
  - morgante 9y ago
    I don't have a login system for my blog.

Not logging IPs makes debugging and abuse detection much more challenging. Moreover, it is also the current default in most software which touches HTTP requests.

krapp 9y ago
We could make it easier for states to find and prosecute criminals by not requiring warrants and making encryption illegal, but we don't (and we shouldn't) because the peoples' rights are inalienable, whereas the rights of states, corporations and other entities to interfere with that privacy are not. Yes, it would be more challenging, and inconvenient, and probably a massive pain in the ass not to log IPs by default, but if the end result is a weakening of the power of modern social media companies (and political and law enforcement agencies) to exploit people's data for nefarious ends without consequence, then society as a whole, and the web, benefit. Mind you, I don't necessarily believe GDPR is the solution, or that logging IPs is unreasonable, but I do welcome the conversation people seem to be having about who owns their identity.

tobltobs 9y ago

You missed the part about the blog comments. He would also need to implement a mechanism which allows users to delete their old comments.

calgoo 9y ago
Not to stretch out this comment any more, but are we seriously arguing that adding a delete button is hard? I mean, most people on here would agree that its not something they would worry about. It sounds more like people are upset they are forced to do it, and have no say in it.
- tobltobs 9y ago
  How want you add a delete button with out adding a complete login system? Or do you want to allow everybody to delete every comment? And of course this is also doable, but the question is, is it worth for a non profit (non tracking) blog? Probably not. Is it worth for Facebook and Google? Sure.
  - morgante 9y ago
    Exactly. I'm not arguing it's impossible, but that it imposes a meaningful additional burden on small operators without any real benefit to privacy. Personally, I don't even think people should have the right to go back and delete a comment from years ago, which might have started a whole interesting discussion. But the EU requires that I think through such a system, including finding a way to identify them as the commenter and purge their PII from all logs/backups/caches as well.
- hartator 9y ago
  We argue why putting people in jail for not implementing a delete button is regulatory overeach.
pbhjpbhj 9y ago
The mechanism is they send you an email, you verify it as you wish (have them post a comment using their credentials), you overwrite all comments from that uid in the db with a simple query? If you're using a CMS then it's going to be type the username and hit "delete all comments"; maybe WordPress et al. do this already. With a small blog the administration of that is going to be facile, surely.
- tobltobs 9y ago
  Sure it is facile. But it is a burden and a exposure to risk, which wont be worthwhile for the most non profit blogs. And by the way, most blog comment systems don't require you to create an account before commenting. So this "have them post a comment using their credentials" wont work anyway.
- morgante 9y ago
  I don't have a login system for my blog.