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Aren't California Professors at-will employees? Couldn't they just fire the employee and say "they were no longer needed" and leave it at that?
by lvspiff 8y ago
Aren't California Professors at-will employees? Couldn't they just fire the employee and say "they were no longer needed" and leave it at that?
- dragonwriter 8y ago> Aren't California Professors at-will employees? No, non-executive public employees in California are mostly not at-will employees. They tend to have protection by civil service laws and union contracts and federal due process protections related to employment, none of which apply to private at-will employment.
- refulgentis 8y agoOftentimes engineers see law like code, if you can find a way to break it, great! In practice, this wouldn't fly, the whole point of court is to negotiate between the letter of the law and the situation to obtain justice. In the hypothetical it's very clear why she actually got fired
- hmahncke 8y agoCSU professors (and professors in general) may technically be at-will (I don't know) but they are definitely members of a union that has negotiated various employment rights, including around how dismissal works. Furthermore, I think the article says she is tenured, which adds another layer of protection to her employment. If CSU did want to dismiss her (after going through the various steps as the popehat article describes), there would be further review steps based on the union rules and tenure.
- mikeash 8y agoAt will means you can be terminated for no reason, but not for any reason. Stating that it was for no reason doesn’t make it so.