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> Pro edition ... Of course they collect data There's something fundamentally wrong with that to my mind, given how the Pro release of Windows has always been

> Pro edition ... Of course they collect data There's something fundamentally wrong with that to my mind, given how the Pro release of Windows has always been placed. I should not need to get an Enterprise release to be able to manage my own machine, restrict the phoning home, and control other basic features of my machine used in a professional context. I've no need of 101 features for managing 1,000 desktops and neither have many smaller businesses who are also now landed with "Xbox OS for PCs".

cstejerean 9y ago
How much did you pay for Windows 10?
- deleted 9y ago
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- grogenaut 9y ago
  Do I, as a single person, have the option of buying a non-spyware version of windows 10? I paid $175 for windows 7... I'd pay $300 for a non-spyware version of windows but I don't think I can even buy solo windows 10 enterprise. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/windows-product-home https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/windows-p... Nope.. I can buy pro but I can only try enterprise.
  - 794CD01 9y ago
    You could buy a VS premium license with MSDN. Or would you still consider that "trying"?
    - grogenaut 9y ago
      Does the VS premium get me the OS?
      - 794CD01 9y ago
        The MSDN subscription gets you licenses for almost all MS software, including their OSes.
- oldcynic 9y ago
  Same as with previous releases: an unknown, invisible, price because it generally comes with the machine. Choose Win x Pro if you want a more "corporate" laptop and get features to connect to the work network, Bitlocker and so on. As far as I am aware the pitch has not changed - Pro is for for a business environment, Enterprise if you're in need of centralised management of an estate of machines. So no, Pro should not be taking liberties. So now to be treated professionally I need to buy a laptop with Win 10 Pro and buy Win 10 again to reinstall it / upgrade it with Win 10 LTS? Can you even buy a single copy?
- valarauca1 9y ago
  My windows 10 Pro cost me $270 when I got it on christmas sale. I can't disable debug telemetry or cortona. If I set the options to via admin (or even safe mode) via registry edits. After a reboot I'll find them back on.
  - Stratoscope 9y ago
    $270 USD? That can't be right. Full retail price is only $199. Amazon and Newegg both sell Windows 10 Pro retail download for $189, and Windows 10 Pro 64 bit System Builder OEM disc for $143. These aren't sale prices, just regular prices.
    - mrweasel 9y ago
      Windows 10 Pro is 1899DKK from Microsoft, that's 315USD. Home is cheaper, at 1099 (180USD).
      - xori 9y ago
        https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/d/windows-10-pro/df77x4d43rkt/48DN https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/d/windows-10-pro/df77x... I see $200USD
      - pwagland 9y ago
        In the Netherlands it is 259€ ( https://www.microsoft.com/nl-nl/store/d/windows-10-pro/df77x4d43rkt/48DN https://www.microsoft.com/nl-nl/store/d/windows-10-pro/df77x... ) that is 317USD in the conversion, so that sounds about right when you don't live in the US. Of course, these European prices already include sales tax, which the US prices don't, but even then it would still be ~250USD without BTW.
        pureagave 9y ago
        I have to wonder if the EU prices include the cost of doing business in the EU. Like paying the big EU fines.
    - 9y ago
threeseed 9y ago
I was under the impression you can disable all of the telemetry. Is that not the case ? And Pro really refers to Prosumer not Professional.
- setquk 9y ago
  No you can turn it down from 11 to 5 basically.
- bjpbakker 9y ago
  According to blog posts and articles on tech sites there still is no way to disable all telemetry on windows 10. I don’t use windows for a long time now so I cannot tell myself. Anyhow, it is /not/ ok for an OS to spy on their users by default - even if you can disable it manually.
  - neko_koneko 9y ago
    By the way, is there a list of things that Windows collects about computer/user activity?
    - batuhanw 9y ago
      -Everything
      - lsh 9y ago
        before anyone else downvotes the parent, take a look at the URL in the sibling comment about what is captured. they're capturing more data about you than you probably realise exists to be captured.
        NiveaGeForce 9y ago
        That's only when you have it set to Full level, which is not the same as Basic level, which is pretty harmless.
    - 9y ago

cstejerean 9y ago

How much did you pay for Windows 10?

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grogenaut 9y ago
Do I, as a single person, have the option of buying a non-spyware version of windows 10? I paid $175 for windows 7... I'd pay $300 for a non-spyware version of windows but I don't think I can even buy solo windows 10 enterprise. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/windows-product-home https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/windows-p... Nope.. I can buy pro but I can only try enterprise.
- 794CD01 9y ago
  You could buy a VS premium license with MSDN. Or would you still consider that "trying"?
  - grogenaut 9y ago
    Does the VS premium get me the OS?
    - 794CD01 9y ago
      The MSDN subscription gets you licenses for almost all MS software, including their OSes.
oldcynic 9y ago
Same as with previous releases: an unknown, invisible, price because it generally comes with the machine. Choose Win x Pro if you want a more "corporate" laptop and get features to connect to the work network, Bitlocker and so on. As far as I am aware the pitch has not changed - Pro is for for a business environment, Enterprise if you're in need of centralised management of an estate of machines. So no, Pro should not be taking liberties. So now to be treated professionally I need to buy a laptop with Win 10 Pro and buy Win 10 again to reinstall it / upgrade it with Win 10 LTS? Can you even buy a single copy?
valarauca1 9y ago
My windows 10 Pro cost me $270 when I got it on christmas sale. I can't disable debug telemetry or cortona. If I set the options to via admin (or even safe mode) via registry edits. After a reboot I'll find them back on.
- Stratoscope 9y ago
  $270 USD? That can't be right. Full retail price is only $199. Amazon and Newegg both sell Windows 10 Pro retail download for $189, and Windows 10 Pro 64 bit System Builder OEM disc for $143. These aren't sale prices, just regular prices.
  - mrweasel 9y ago
    Windows 10 Pro is 1899DKK from Microsoft, that's 315USD. Home is cheaper, at 1099 (180USD).
    - xori 9y ago
      https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/d/windows-10-pro/df77x4d43rkt/48DN https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/d/windows-10-pro/df77x... I see $200USD
    - pwagland 9y ago
      In the Netherlands it is 259€ ( https://www.microsoft.com/nl-nl/store/d/windows-10-pro/df77x4d43rkt/48DN https://www.microsoft.com/nl-nl/store/d/windows-10-pro/df77x... ) that is 317USD in the conversion, so that sounds about right when you don't live in the US. Of course, these European prices already include sales tax, which the US prices don't, but even then it would still be ~250USD without BTW.
      - pureagave 9y ago
        I have to wonder if the EU prices include the cost of doing business in the EU. Like paying the big EU fines.
  - 9y ago

threeseed 9y ago

I was under the impression you can disable all of the telemetry. Is that not the case ? And Pro really refers to Prosumer not Professional.

setquk 9y ago
No you can turn it down from 11 to 5 basically.
bjpbakker 9y ago
According to blog posts and articles on tech sites there still is no way to disable all telemetry on windows 10. I don’t use windows for a long time now so I cannot tell myself. Anyhow, it is /not/ ok for an OS to spy on their users by default - even if you can disable it manually.
- neko_koneko 9y ago
  By the way, is there a list of things that Windows collects about computer/user activity?
  - batuhanw 9y ago
    -Everything
    - lsh 9y ago
      before anyone else downvotes the parent, take a look at the URL in the sibling comment about what is captured. they're capturing more data about you than you probably realise exists to be captured.
      - NiveaGeForce 9y ago
        That's only when you have it set to Full level, which is not the same as Basic level, which is pretty harmless.
  - 9y ago