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What do you find strange about this?

rrdharan 9y ago
It seems like the round trip time for that type of operation would be pretty challenging for situations where you have, for example, six seconds to avoid crashing into a road barrier..
- mikeash 9y ago
  Can that happen? You can come to a stop within 2-3 seconds.
- alonmower 9y ago
  I’m not sure throwing control to a remote human in this situation would be much better given that they’d need to be able to immediately act correctly. I guess they’re confident about their abilities at speed. I would guess this is probably more to address “there’s an ambulance parked in the intersection, can I go around it or should I turn around and find another way” type questions
- TulliusCicero 9y ago
  I don't think it's for that kind of situation. It's probably more for, like, a weird construction setup where the car needs to be told when it's okay to cross over the normal lines painted on the ground, or a parking garage where the car has to be told where it's okay to park (e.g. different sections may have different rules).
- jvolkman 9y ago
  This is not video game style remote driving. The car is always in control, and its primitive object avoidance routines won't let it crash into a barrier. This is presumably to allow humans to help make higher-level decisions. For example, maybe the car asks something like "this road is blocked. I could cross the double yellow line to get around, or I could reverse and go a different way. Both of these options are suboptimal, can you help me choose?" The most extreme type of assistance could maybe be a human drawing or modifying the vehicle's planned path (if you watch any of the Waymo example videos, you'll see the immediate path that the vehicle is planning to take). But even in this scenario, the car is still responsible for navigating that path and avoiding any obstacles.
  - JetSpiegel 9y ago
    > The car is always in control, and its primitive object avoidance routines won't let it crash into a barrier.The car is always in control, and its primitive object avoidance routines won't let it crash into a barrier. Of course, how inconceivable that a self driving car could crash into a static barrier! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6QCF8tVqM3I https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6QCF8tVqM3I
    - Dibes 9y ago
      While I agree, yes it has been proven with Tesla's technology that it could happen, I believe that Waymo would not be so callous as to apply for this permit if it had not 100% proven that its technology would not do something as blatantly bad as that. I could be wrong, but I certainly feel through their various reports and showcases that they have by far and away the best grasp on fully autonomous vehicles. I have yet to read that in their millions of miles of fully autonomous driving there was a crash that was worse than cosmetic damage to either vehicle or caused injury [1]. They also seem ready to take responsibility for any of their mistakes and use them as a learning experience to further improve their technology. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waymo#Crashes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waymo#Crashes
      - buvanshak 9y ago
        > I believe that Waymo would not be so callous as to apply for this permit if it had not 100% proven that its technology would not do something as blatantly bad as that. It it could prove this 100% to itself, it should be able to prove it to the general public and the authorities in a test environment..
    - jvolkman 9y ago
      That's not a self driving car. Autopilot is L1 or L2 at best, vs. Waymo's L4. There's a huge gap between the two.
- jteppinette 9y ago
  What if for 8 hours a day your job was to avoid crashes in remote vehicles... every 6 seconds your monitor changes feed to a near accident and you have to react, your decision saves the vehicle and passengers or there is a crash.. next.. next..
  - merkaloid 9y ago
    thanks for next season black mirror spoilers dude
- raverbashing 9y ago
  If I had to guess I think it will probably stop and wait for the remote assistance.
KKKKkkkk1 9y ago
What is the difference between operating a car remotely and "giving it feedback"?
- aquadrop 9y ago
  When someone ask you how to get somewhere, it's same difference as between giving directions and getting behind the wheel to drive them there. I think car will still be in control, you just will tell it "drive slowly here, then here"
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > What is the difference between operating a car remotely and "giving it feedback"? The same as the difference between what a driver does and what a driving instructor sitting in the passenger seat does, only both remote...

It seems like the round trip time for that type of operation would be pretty challenging for situations where you have, for example, six seconds to avoid crashing into a road barrier..

mikeash 9y ago
Can that happen? You can come to a stop within 2-3 seconds.
alonmower 9y ago
I’m not sure throwing control to a remote human in this situation would be much better given that they’d need to be able to immediately act correctly. I guess they’re confident about their abilities at speed. I would guess this is probably more to address “there’s an ambulance parked in the intersection, can I go around it or should I turn around and find another way” type questions
TulliusCicero 9y ago
I don't think it's for that kind of situation. It's probably more for, like, a weird construction setup where the car needs to be told when it's okay to cross over the normal lines painted on the ground, or a parking garage where the car has to be told where it's okay to park (e.g. different sections may have different rules).
jvolkman 9y ago
This is not video game style remote driving. The car is always in control, and its primitive object avoidance routines won't let it crash into a barrier. This is presumably to allow humans to help make higher-level decisions. For example, maybe the car asks something like "this road is blocked. I could cross the double yellow line to get around, or I could reverse and go a different way. Both of these options are suboptimal, can you help me choose?" The most extreme type of assistance could maybe be a human drawing or modifying the vehicle's planned path (if you watch any of the Waymo example videos, you'll see the immediate path that the vehicle is planning to take). But even in this scenario, the car is still responsible for navigating that path and avoiding any obstacles.
- JetSpiegel 9y ago
  > The car is always in control, and its primitive object avoidance routines won't let it crash into a barrier.The car is always in control, and its primitive object avoidance routines won't let it crash into a barrier. Of course, how inconceivable that a self driving car could crash into a static barrier! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6QCF8tVqM3I https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6QCF8tVqM3I
  - Dibes 9y ago
    While I agree, yes it has been proven with Tesla's technology that it could happen, I believe that Waymo would not be so callous as to apply for this permit if it had not 100% proven that its technology would not do something as blatantly bad as that. I could be wrong, but I certainly feel through their various reports and showcases that they have by far and away the best grasp on fully autonomous vehicles. I have yet to read that in their millions of miles of fully autonomous driving there was a crash that was worse than cosmetic damage to either vehicle or caused injury [1]. They also seem ready to take responsibility for any of their mistakes and use them as a learning experience to further improve their technology. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waymo#Crashes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waymo#Crashes
    - buvanshak 9y ago
      > I believe that Waymo would not be so callous as to apply for this permit if it had not 100% proven that its technology would not do something as blatantly bad as that. It it could prove this 100% to itself, it should be able to prove it to the general public and the authorities in a test environment..
  - jvolkman 9y ago
    That's not a self driving car. Autopilot is L1 or L2 at best, vs. Waymo's L4. There's a huge gap between the two.
jteppinette 9y ago
What if for 8 hours a day your job was to avoid crashes in remote vehicles... every 6 seconds your monitor changes feed to a near accident and you have to react, your decision saves the vehicle and passengers or there is a crash.. next.. next..
- merkaloid 9y ago
  thanks for next season black mirror spoilers dude
raverbashing 9y ago
If I had to guess I think it will probably stop and wait for the remote assistance.

KKKKkkkk1 9y ago

What is the difference between operating a car remotely and "giving it feedback"?

aquadrop 9y ago
When someone ask you how to get somewhere, it's same difference as between giving directions and getting behind the wheel to drive them there. I think car will still be in control, you just will tell it "drive slowly here, then here"
dragonwriter 9y ago
> What is the difference between operating a car remotely and "giving it feedback"? The same as the difference between what a driver does and what a driving instructor sitting in the passenger seat does, only both remote...